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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg with gene and

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Chris back on the para cast and for

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Chris it's crunch time of course putting

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the final changes in the book stalking

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the herd that's gonna be a huge book

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it's gonna be what four or five hard

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pages right now I don't know I hope it's

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not more than 600 it's it's become a

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monster it's become a lot bigger than

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one Jesus it's a lot bigger than a cow I

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mean so I'm having a cow you know I'll

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tell you something I'm looking at

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chapter eight for example before we even

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add the illustrations it's already 50

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pages by itself I know and some people

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write entire books there are 50 pages

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long and just as an example to show you

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the size of books our guests will be

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joining us later in the show his book is

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122 pages which is what about a chapter

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and a half of your book yeah it's it's

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like one of my chapters did you know

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you'd be running the UFO evidence

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encyclopedia variation for the cattle

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mutilation topic oh that's kind of what

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I set out to do yeah I I want this to be

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the book on this subject and I defy I

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dare anyone I really do

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anybody that wants to try to tackle this

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subject as completely as I have good

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luck the reason why chapter eight is so

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long is because it was the 1990s when we

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had a real upsurge in activity and I

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investigated 200 reports myself and then

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you look at the 70s my god I think one

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of those chapters was it wasn't it 72

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pages so you're pretty big chapters yeah

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you're looking at chapters like four and

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five they are amazingly large I'm just

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looking there right now because I have

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the actual layout files these things are

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amazingly long like I'm looking now at

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Chapter five

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we get to the illustrations of last

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illustration takes us to page 71 in 72

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yeah that's I think what what chapter is

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that that's the 79 check no that would

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be the 75 to 78 that's 75 from 78

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chapter we're attempting people here

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they did not increase the price of the

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book I think that Adventures unlimited

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press could have charged like 40 bucks

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for this book yeah and be a great value

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well the price may change when they'll

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see how much shipping is gonna cost it's

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going to cost $20 to ship it with the

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book you know when you come up with a

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Kindle and the Apple iBooks version

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that's gonna be popular because it's

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such a big book but we'll see yeah oh

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let me tell you a story here I think I

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sent you copy this email so I'm taking a

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power nap Saturday afternoon this is

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full week before you hear this show

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ladies and gentlemen

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I get a phone call from somebody with

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very deep New York accent and he says

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his name is Ron Maloney and he's

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screaming because we did something to

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attack him in our forums and I say Ron

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who he starts talking about Bill burns

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it turns out a thread was posted about

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him in 2009

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evidently involving his efforts

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supposedly to examine some rocks taken

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while on a visit to one of the UFO crash

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sites in New Mexico by Phillip mantle

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British UFO researcher and somehow he

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got involved in this and there was a

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item at Frank Warren's UFO chronicles

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way back when in 2008 about what

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happened so now we're in 2014 and now

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this guy years after the fact is calling

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me on the phone and demanding that we

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take down this thread of about four or

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five messages nobody cared about then I

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get an email you must have seen a copy

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of this Chris

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yeah you know people like this I really

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don't know what to say Jean I think the

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guy has some serious issues let's put it

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that way well the problem is here let me

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just tell you what he said because I

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will tell you that his email came from a

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US Army Department of Defense email

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address believe it or not oh I didn't

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notice up oh yeah and he says in all

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caps please take this down then the link

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to the thread in the forum and then in

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all caps you will be charged not charged

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charged with US federal criminal

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harassment lowercase if this is not

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removed within 48 hours sir and he sent

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me like four or five copies of that Wow

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so I think the feds are going to be

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knocking at my door any time now it's

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still up there huh it's up there in a

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moderation mode so it's sort of up there

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but not up there because frankly I don't

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care about what this is the thing is

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here if this guy has a problem talk to

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Philip mantle talk to Frank Warren

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yeah listen coming up to you for just

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because people post their opinions on on

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a thread on the site yeah you're the one

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that gets all the grief and he comes

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after I don't understand I understand

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either because this thread was posted

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four years ago now if you're trying to

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close off something or if he feels that

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something in those threads or in the

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original issue of UFO chronicles from

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Frank Warren was incorrect about what he

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did to analyze these rocks well that's

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fine but why come to me I have nothing

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to do with it I mean this was such an

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insignificant thread in our forums let

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me explain on the power cast for us we

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have between 175,000 and 180,000

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messages I'm serious because we've had

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this forum open for eight years since

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the power cast first started so for me

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to know what's in a little topic thread

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of five messages

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posted four years ago I'm sorry I'm not

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that good yeah I thought you were this

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the superhero of the the forum with the

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elephant memory and all that so that's

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not true huh yeah truth comes out so you

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not a forum superhero you cannot

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remember every post only one out of

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every four thousand I think and but to

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see what happened here is he drew my

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attention to something significant email

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address and threats of legal action that

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would catch my attention right

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especially the fact that I sent it back

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to the abuse email address at the army

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and asked him to figure it out for me

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did you know that was a good move so I

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don't know I mean the threat is up there

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if anyone cares now that we've drawn

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attention to it I know plenty of people

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will get up there and start looking I

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did notice some comments on there that

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we're not particularly flattering for

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this person from New York and they

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spelled his name wrong oh well that's

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probably well alright you know I mean I

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get calls from people telemarketing

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people and they say is this mr. Jenny

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Steinberg I say there's no one named

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Jenny here and I hang up the phone no

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and they never get the message they can

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give messages

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couple years back we had gentleman named

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Ryan Skinner as part of a skinwalker

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ranch roundtable and we also featured

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the whistleblower chip on that show well

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this was one of our best received shows

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it was just an amazing experience I'm

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not an expert on skinwalker and I

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learned so much from this episode and

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now Ryan has this new book out called

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skinwalker ranch path of the skinwalker

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is the subtitle this could be a

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fascinating session that is if the feds

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don't arrest me

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I have to think of this old song from

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the 60s from Napoleon xiv

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they're coming to take me away haha yeah

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to the funny farm where life is happy

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all day long and life is beautiful and

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I'll be happy to see those forget about

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it I used to actually be able to recite

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that thing yeah I did too

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actually it was actually written by a

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songwriter named Jerry Samuels but who

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cares about the trivia this is not

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trivia Ryan Skinner the book is

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skinwalker ranch path of the skinwalker

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the book is called skinwalker ranch the

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path of skinwalker and let me just read

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you this paragraph this introductory

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paragraph on the cover page come with me

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as we walk along the forbidden path of

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the skinwalker and investigate the

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mystery surrounding a skinwalker ranch

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this is more than a story it is a

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chronicle of chilling events that

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actually happened stories that I will

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never forget I was thinking as I read

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this Ryan that maybe who I needed was

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the late Fred Floyd he was the announcer

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who did the Lone Ranger the Lone Ranger

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rides again that's what I needed

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that voice gene I think that's a little

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ahead of Ryan's time that's ahead of my

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time yes event right right or I like the

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other one the quote from Paul McCartney

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I used to think that anyone doing

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anything weird was weird

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I suddenly realized that anyone doing

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anything weird wasn't weird at all it

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was the people saying they were weird

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that were weird from Paul McCartney

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where do you say that

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Ryan I was just looking up quotes that I

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thought were relevant that one really

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spoke to me so a lot of family and

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friends kind of question you know what

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I'm doing all the time out there in Utah

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and just how weird of a hobby I have I

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guess now that's a good place to start

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Ryan yeah what is your motivation dude I

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mean you live in where in Wisconsin

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right I live in Wisconsin yeah and you

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talking about

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what's the round hundred miles away it's

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1,300 miles so you're talking twenty six

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hundred mile round trips how many times

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have you done that I try to do it at

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least two to three times a year and I've

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done that for the past six years which

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airline is enriching themselves by this

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I actually have a RV that I equipped to

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go off-roading and I try to take that

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out as much as I can so this is like a

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two-day trip or something like that I

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try to spend at least a week to two

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weeks when I'm out there I'm thinking in

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terms of the driving time

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oh they're derived yeah it's a 2-day

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trip two days to get there two days

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and then of course you want to spend a

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week or so there to make the trip

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worthwhile let me ask you a question

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here do you actually have a day job that

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you are missing because of this I'm

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self-employed

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so I guess I have some luxury am i

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scheduled to be able to take trips like

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this but what attracted you to make this

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pilgrimage because I tell you something

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I used to be the kind of person when I

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was 37 which is more years than anyone

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cares to remember I do this kind of

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thing where I traveled 1,500 miles and a

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clip to go to convention or somewhere

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that was interesting what is my biggest

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motivator or why am I doing this yes

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it's definitely become an obsession of

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mine over the years there's a lot of

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haunted houses and little paranormal

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suppose at hot spots all over Wisconsin

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and southern or Northern Illinois but

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really there's nothing that replicates

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itself on such a continual basis as

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what's found at skinwalker ranch I mean

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there really is a reason why all these

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different agencies you know in a

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billionaire and mids and bass

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everybody's so interested in the ranch

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and these and high-profile people they

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found a interest in that because of

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they're able to study the phenomena

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which almost was against calling

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something paranormal in the first place

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supposed to exist outside of Sciences

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scrutinizing eyes but we are able to

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test and experience the paranormal in

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that location I can't do that anywhere

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out here ok so what first got you to

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latch on to this mystery was it the book

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from George Knapp yeah well it was my

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experience I didn't even know about the

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book from George Knapp and I write in my

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own book about my chronicles going out

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through traveling through Utah on i-70

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just south of the ranch and I had a

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unusual experience with a ball of light

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that uh followed my car and we

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eventually pulled over and found

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alien-like creatures and just that that

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whole event just sparked my interest and

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fueled my interest for for what was so

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peculiar and interesting about that area

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and the more I researched I came across

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the book hunt for the skinwalker

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and found directly to the north I mean

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immediately to the north where we were

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having our we had her encounter with

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skinwalker ranch no more than 20-30

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minutes away and from that point on I

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just became obsessed with the topic

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tried to read as much as I could and

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began a hunt of my own to try to find

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out where this location was and and I

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had to get out there and look for some

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answers to what had happened to us have

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you done any exploring south of there in

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the southern part of the you in a basin

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down towards the border with with

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Colorado Baxter Pass which is goes right

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over the corner there of Utah into

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Colorado have you explored that area

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where the gas fields are and and the oil

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rigs and stuff down there by Cisco Utah

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is that we are talking about not sure if

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it's my Cisco would be south of there a

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south of bonanza I believe I would have

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to get a map out here and we'll continue

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talking while I look it up and I'll tell

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you exactly I had some really strange

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experiences going back from my first

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visit to the ranch in 96 a place called

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Hell's Canyon now I think hell in

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America's is living in Utah and parts of

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it it's very hellacious and imagine how

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hellacious it must be in Utah if you

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have to call a place Hells Canyon and

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I'll tell you hell's hole actually is

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the name of the canyon it is filled with

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probably hundreds of thousands of

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rattlesnakes I I've never heard the

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sound of just many thousands of

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rattlesnakes all going off at once I'm

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telling you that was one of the more

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frightening experiences of my life

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was hearing that sound my brother was

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standing there outside of the truck with

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in his bare feet and he literally would

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not move he made us pick him up by the

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elbows take him into the truck

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but that area down there is there's

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something wrong there I agree

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is something very wrong it makes the

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ranch look like paradise and and uh you

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know maybe some sort of Disneyland

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compared to the feeling that I got just

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over the northern border of Colorado at

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the corner at the at the south east

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corner of Utah there's one road that

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goes up and over a small mountain range

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they're called Baxter Pass is the is the

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top of the mountain range and just to

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the north and west of that area is a

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large gas and gas field and oil field I

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think it's part of the rifle oil

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deposits there and I'm telling you I

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that is so spooky down there I've been

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all over this country 48 of 50 states

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many states numerous times I've been to

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all sorts of paranormal hot spots from

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Maine to to Baja and I think that if I

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had if somebody asked me what is the

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spookiest place that you've been in

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nature I would have to say that that

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area is white up there at the top we've

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got some spooky stuff to talk about here

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boy am i doing a lot more to talk about

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559
00:27:08,649 --> 00:27:06,409
are tuned into the para cast let me tell

560
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:08,659
you what you're gonna hear stuff here

561
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:10,650
that you probably won't

562
00:27:16,820 --> 00:27:13,290
you're anywhere else here that George

563
00:27:19,210 --> 00:27:16,830
Noory now Chris is going to as we

564
00:27:22,130 --> 00:27:19,220
progress with the show adopt his best

565
00:27:24,110 --> 00:27:22,140
skinwalker voice right now he's just

566
00:27:24,620 --> 00:27:24,120
playing it down the middle but you just

567
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:24,630
watch

568
00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:27,600
okay Ryan Skinner joins us and we're

569
00:27:33,140 --> 00:27:29,910
having a fascinating discussion about

570
00:27:36,980 --> 00:27:33,150
all the strange things we find around

571
00:27:40,460 --> 00:27:36,990
this country as you say going near

572
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,470
skinwalker ranch Ryan a lot more strange

573
00:27:44,030 --> 00:27:42,240
in the stuff up in Wisconsin and

574
00:27:46,460 --> 00:27:44,040
Wisconsin can have some pretty strange

575
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:46,470
events we have the Bray Road beast

576
00:27:51,530 --> 00:27:48,210
that's about 20 minutes from my house

577
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:51,540
here and that's a werewolf like creature

578
00:27:56,990 --> 00:27:55,110
oh yes werewolves I was just watching

579
00:27:59,030 --> 00:27:57,000
the other day they've got I think two

580
00:28:01,910 --> 00:27:59,040
different werewolf shows on the sci-fi

581
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:01,920
channel now they've got being human

582
00:28:05,630 --> 00:28:03,570
which is the one about the werewolf the

583
00:28:06,380 --> 00:28:05,640
vampire and the ghost they've got

584
00:28:10,130 --> 00:28:06,390
another one

585
00:28:12,650 --> 00:28:10,140
bitten where this woman who used to play

586
00:28:14,810 --> 00:28:12,660
Supergirl on TV by the way in the TV

587
00:28:17,450 --> 00:28:14,820
series Smallville now she's bitten by a

588
00:28:19,580 --> 00:28:17,460
werewolf and becomes a werewolf and then

589
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:19,590
the Gog show called Lost Girl where one

590
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:22,170
of the characters becomes a werewolf so

591
00:28:26,570 --> 00:28:23,910
they're always big werewolves aren't

592
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:26,580
they definitely captivated uh the

593
00:28:30,980 --> 00:28:28,530
American public's interest lately

594
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:30,990
skinwalkers werewolf sits kind of on the

595
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:33,330
horizon where ghost hunting used to be

596
00:28:39,410 --> 00:28:36,690
the big thing now define a skinwalker

597
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:39,420
for people who need to be given the the

598
00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:43,440
101 treatment what is a skinwalker it is

599
00:28:47,690 --> 00:28:45,510
something that can adopt different forms

600
00:28:51,380 --> 00:28:47,700
right well it really depends who you ask

601
00:28:54,860 --> 00:28:51,390
what a skinwalker is the believe it was

602
00:28:58,570 --> 00:28:54,870
originally the Navajo tribe that came up

603
00:29:02,840 --> 00:28:58,580
with the term for a evil witch doctor

604
00:29:05,660 --> 00:29:02,850
it's one explanation that I've heard you

605
00:29:10,820 --> 00:29:05,670
become I believe you become a skinwalker

606
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:10,830
by sacrificing a relative or a child to

607
00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:14,010
some some of the evil spirits and as a

608
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:16,500
result you inherit these powers the

609
00:29:23,090 --> 00:29:19,970
ability to transform into animals and

610
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:23,100
one of the earliest explanations wasn't

611
00:29:26,860 --> 00:29:24,480
necessarily for

612
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:26,870
evil reasons it was from what I've read

613
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:30,090
to spy on some of the invading armies

614
00:29:35,270 --> 00:29:32,130
where you could become an you become a

615
00:29:37,010 --> 00:29:35,280
wolf for example and go undetected and

616
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:37,020
do some sort of scouting and report back

617
00:29:41,870 --> 00:29:40,110
to the tribe that's again one

618
00:29:44,330 --> 00:29:41,880
explanation is not necessarily what I

619
00:29:49,310 --> 00:29:44,340
personally subscribe to I think it's too

620
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:49,320
simplistic and it's it's unfortunate

621
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:52,010
that the tag actually even became

622
00:29:59,570 --> 00:29:55,679
associated with the Sherman ranch now

623
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,580
called the Bigelow ranch I guess first

624
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:01,200
of all we're talking about the ute

625
00:30:08,990 --> 00:30:03,890
Indians who were nomadic did not have

626
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:09,000
the medicine societies set up in the way

627
00:30:14,539 --> 00:30:11,730
that Adonai or the Navajo and the Apache

628
00:30:17,780 --> 00:30:14,549
do and the whole term I think has been

629
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:17,790
Mis applied completely in this sense

630
00:30:21,620 --> 00:30:19,049
which I was going to point out I know

631
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:21,630
your book has it twice in your title but

632
00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:24,240
because the area has now gained that

633
00:30:32,150 --> 00:30:28,710
particular tag or meme if you will but

634
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:32,160
again skinwalkers are not part of the

635
00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:35,210
you tradition the reason why they even

636
00:30:40,180 --> 00:30:37,980
mention the word skinwalker is because

637
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:40,190
they they've been in conflict with the

638
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:45,210
the Danai for many generations since the

639
00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:47,010
Utes actually were signed on by the US

640
00:30:53,419 --> 00:30:50,820
Army to help hunt down the the de neige

641
00:30:56,060 --> 00:30:53,429
people the Navajo and Apache and there's

642
00:30:59,659 --> 00:30:56,070
been animosity ever since and some of

643
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,669
the Utes several generations ago felt

644
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:01,679
that the the the de neige were sending

645
00:31:07,610 --> 00:31:04,770
skinwalkers to harass them because of

646
00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:07,620
their association with the US Army so

647
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:10,169
first of all the area does not have a

648
00:31:17,770 --> 00:31:14,720
tradition of skinwalkers you know being

649
00:31:19,549 --> 00:31:17,780
residents are being you know a local

650
00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:19,559
phenomenon and this is something that

651
00:31:25,940 --> 00:31:23,520
would be sent to harass them if anything

652
00:31:28,610 --> 00:31:25,950
and it's unfortunate that I think

653
00:31:33,380 --> 00:31:28,620
Kelleher and and Knapp even came up with

654
00:31:36,270 --> 00:31:33,390
that term in relation to the ranch as as

655
00:31:38,220 --> 00:31:36,280
you said Ryan I it's

656
00:31:41,490 --> 00:31:38,230
it's almost peripheral to this and it's

657
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:41,500
it's a very it's no way that this could

658
00:31:45,930 --> 00:31:45,310
this term or this type of black magician

659
00:31:48,170 --> 00:31:45,940
if you will

660
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:48,180
could behind what we're seeing there

661
00:31:54,990 --> 00:31:50,170
what we agree with that

662
00:31:57,690 --> 00:31:55,000
when was your trip there and and

663
00:32:00,150 --> 00:31:57,700
describe some of your early early for

664
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:00,160
ways to the area because we're now going

665
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:04,110
back to 2007 I believe right 2008 yeah

666
00:32:10,110 --> 00:32:07,810
2007 2008 was my first trip out there I

667
00:32:12,090 --> 00:32:10,120
went out there with another investigator

668
00:32:13,460 --> 00:32:12,100
of a local to the area because I didn't

669
00:32:17,250 --> 00:32:13,470
I didn't know the area that well

670
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:17,260
honestly at that time the location of

671
00:32:22,620 --> 00:32:19,650
the ranch itself really wasn't

672
00:32:24,690 --> 00:32:22,630
popularized and most people didn't know

673
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:24,700
where it was and they went through some

674
00:32:29,730 --> 00:32:26,170
links in the book hunt for the

675
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:29,740
skinwalker to obscure the location so at

676
00:32:36,540 --> 00:32:33,130
that point it was a bit of a scavenger

677
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,550
hunt for us and we did it over the

678
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:38,320
course of several days and looking at

679
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:40,720
several other ranches local ranches we

680
00:32:45,810 --> 00:32:42,730
did come across the the correct one and

681
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:45,820
almost immediately I mean back in 2000

682
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:48,130
the the intensity of whatever was going

683
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:50,530
on out there was even more so intense

684
00:32:54,570 --> 00:32:52,450
than what I've experienced recently

685
00:32:57,260 --> 00:32:54,580
which which it still even to this day

686
00:32:59,130 --> 00:32:57,270
there's still activity going on there

687
00:33:02,430 --> 00:32:59,140
yeah they've been trying to downplay

688
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:02,440
that for a number of years now any time

689
00:33:07,230 --> 00:33:04,690
us anywhere the principal's has asked

690
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:07,240
the question about oh it hasn't been

691
00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:09,490
anything going on there for years I saw

692
00:33:18,780 --> 00:33:13,510
stuff with you when we went out to so

693
00:33:22,890 --> 00:33:18,790
years ago with uh with Sean stone and in

694
00:33:25,770 --> 00:33:22,900
Tyrel Ventura we had pretty interesting

695
00:33:27,780 --> 00:33:25,780
sighting of of an anomalous light I mean

696
00:33:30,540 --> 00:33:27,790
it was just a night note you know weird

697
00:33:33,570 --> 00:33:30,550
light at night which are a dime a dozen

698
00:33:37,490 --> 00:33:33,580
out there and many places in the West

699
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:37,500
but but there is there is activity 2009

700
00:33:42,810 --> 00:33:40,410
especially had quite a bit of activity

701
00:33:44,340 --> 00:33:42,820
why don't you start giving us a

702
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:44,350
blow-by-blow some of your trips you've

703
00:33:48,570 --> 00:33:46,410
been out to 20 over 20 times so

704
00:33:49,490 --> 00:33:48,580
obviously every time you go out there is

705
00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:49,500
not going to have

706
00:33:56,340 --> 00:33:52,510
act with the excitement and the like

707
00:33:58,050 --> 00:33:56,350
watch you that's exactly correct that's

708
00:33:59,610 --> 00:33:58,060
kind of a misconception that people will

709
00:34:01,500 --> 00:33:59,620
obscure I've to me because I've had so

710
00:34:03,870 --> 00:34:01,510
many different events that have occurred

711
00:34:05,580 --> 00:34:03,880
out there they what do you are you just

712
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:05,590
that lucky Ryan are you making all this

713
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:07,930
up and it's none of that it's when you

714
00:34:12,570 --> 00:34:10,240
really invest that amount of time living

715
00:34:14,340 --> 00:34:12,580
and breathing and just immersing

716
00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:14,350
yourself into that environment if there

717
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:16,270
really is something to it all then then

718
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:17,610
you're going to be experiencing a

719
00:34:21,930 --> 00:34:20,050
significant amount of whatever's going

720
00:34:25,860 --> 00:34:21,940
out there and I'm lucky we have seen

721
00:34:26,940 --> 00:34:25,870
some pretty unusual things back in 2007

722
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:26,950
when I first went out there with the

723
00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:30,010
other investigator we did finally locate

724
00:34:36,150 --> 00:34:32,910
a hot spot near the ranch from this

725
00:34:38,970 --> 00:34:36,160
location I guess what immediately

726
00:34:42,510 --> 00:34:38,980
surprised me is we we plan to then trek

727
00:34:44,940 --> 00:34:42,520
through the desert to to reach the ranch

728
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:44,950
itself but it's really not where this

729
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:46,720
phenomena is it's not just on the ranch

730
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:48,970
it's in the entire basin and really the

731
00:34:52,409 --> 00:34:51,130
ranch itself is just the path that's

732
00:34:53,130 --> 00:34:52,419
kind of why I called the book path to

733
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:53,140
the skinwalker

734
00:34:59,490 --> 00:34:56,050
it's just a path where this these event

735
00:35:03,210 --> 00:34:59,500
these events occur on that first night

736
00:35:04,770 --> 00:35:03,220
as we were unpacking our car and the Sun

737
00:35:07,470 --> 00:35:04,780
had gone down the moon started to come

738
00:35:09,660 --> 00:35:07,480
up right after we arrived suddenly we

739
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:09,670
heard elect it sound like a robotic

740
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:12,490
voice over the hilltop right next to our

741
00:35:17,550 --> 00:35:15,370
campsite and going into this our

742
00:35:19,980 --> 00:35:17,560
paranoia was being arrested by the local

743
00:35:22,290 --> 00:35:19,990
Bureau Bureau of Indian Affairs which is

744
00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:22,300
a local tribal police they don't have

745
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:24,310
traditional police in that areas it's a

746
00:35:31,530 --> 00:35:29,530
tribal community or reservation so we

747
00:35:35,130 --> 00:35:31,540
discuss this over and over and I almost

748
00:35:37,170 --> 00:35:35,140
wonder if there is a ability for the

749
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:37,180
intelligence out there - almost latch on

750
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:39,370
to what your fears are the manifest is

751
00:35:43,830 --> 00:35:41,710
that fear because as we start hearing

752
00:35:46,140 --> 00:35:43,840
this robotic voice it was barking out

753
00:35:48,330 --> 00:35:46,150
commands suddenly these red white and

754
00:35:52,070 --> 00:35:48,340
blue lights sprung sprung alive in the

755
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:52,080
desert and it appeared like a police car

756
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:54,880
had somehow driven out I mean it takes

757
00:35:59,340 --> 00:35:56,770
4x4 vehicles to get the location we're

758
00:36:01,700 --> 00:35:59,350
at and suddenly right next to us was

759
00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:01,710
were these red white and blue lights

760
00:36:08,270 --> 00:36:04,500
bullhorn was screaming orders at us we

761
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:08,280
were just horrified and I guess we'll

762
00:36:14,839 --> 00:36:12,290
surprise at our ineptness to be elusive

763
00:36:16,820 --> 00:36:14,849
to the authorities I mean we were we

764
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:16,830
were caught already is the conclusion we

765
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:19,170
came to the problem is whatever these

766
00:36:23,660 --> 00:36:21,480
orders were it wasn't spoken in English

767
00:36:26,780 --> 00:36:23,670
and the voice itself I mean like a

768
00:36:28,940 --> 00:36:26,790
computer robotic kind of voice after

769
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,950
about 10 minutes I'd see maybe five

770
00:36:33,770 --> 00:36:30,960
minutes of this going on the lights

771
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:33,780
eventually extinguished okay let's stop

772
00:36:37,099 --> 00:36:35,040
it there and get to our next segment

773
00:36:39,859 --> 00:36:37,109
because I want to know more about what

774
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:39,869
happened after the lights extinguished

775
00:36:50,570 --> 00:36:42,210
Ryan Skinner joins Jeanne and Chris

776
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:50,580
you're in the parata's independently

777
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00:37:07,220 --> 00:37:05,250
secret UFO agenda two strange creatures

781
00:37:08,420 --> 00:37:07,230
from the darkest corners of the mind

782
00:37:11,150 --> 00:37:08,430
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873
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:08,449
it's just a wrong Clark author of the

874
00:41:17,709 --> 00:41:10,729
UFO on Cyclopes and other books you're

875
00:41:19,779 --> 00:41:17,719
listening to the para cap I'm resisting

876
00:41:26,199 --> 00:41:19,789
the temptation Ryan Skinner to use a

877
00:41:27,370 --> 00:41:26,209
robotic voice oh I can like them I have

878
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:27,380
a million of them but I think they're

879
00:41:32,140 --> 00:41:30,170
all too cliche like alright so I guess

880
00:41:34,929 --> 00:41:32,150
the shot these arms are coming after you

881
00:41:37,299 --> 00:41:34,939
here the locals are coming after you the

882
00:41:38,349 --> 00:41:37,309
lights extinguish what happens next well

883
00:41:40,959 --> 00:41:38,359
I mean that's what's going on in our

884
00:41:42,370 --> 00:41:40,969
mind we don't immediately jump to the

885
00:41:44,439 --> 00:41:42,380
paranormal you know we're not even at

886
00:41:47,650 --> 00:41:44,449
the ranch so it's kind of last thing in

887
00:41:49,989 --> 00:41:47,660
our on a radar is that the phenomena is

888
00:41:52,839 --> 00:41:49,999
already interacting with us moments

889
00:41:53,949 --> 00:41:52,849
after arriving we're just lying on the

890
00:41:55,179 --> 00:41:53,959
ground we have nowhere to run the only

891
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,189
way to get into this place it's about

892
00:41:59,759 --> 00:41:57,920
two miles to a pretty treacherous road

893
00:42:02,170 --> 00:41:59,769
to get to where we're at to our campsite

894
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:02,180
without a house around and deep in the

895
00:42:05,529 --> 00:42:03,890
desert there's no way to turn around and

896
00:42:07,420 --> 00:42:05,539
go back because wherever with its latest

897
00:42:10,779 --> 00:42:07,430
position is exactly on the road coming

898
00:42:13,870 --> 00:42:10,789
in the lights go off there's no more

899
00:42:16,569 --> 00:42:13,880
orders spoken here we don't hear a car

900
00:42:19,419 --> 00:42:16,579
engine idling nothing just the desert

901
00:42:22,660 --> 00:42:19,429
silence eventually we get brave enough

902
00:42:24,459 --> 00:42:22,670
to Trek over to the hilltop and appear

903
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:24,469
over the other side I mean fully

904
00:42:29,499 --> 00:42:27,920
awaiting to be arrested or lectured or

905
00:42:32,289 --> 00:42:29,509
whatever is gonna have our fate maybe

906
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:32,299
and on the other side of this hill which

907
00:42:37,509 --> 00:42:34,910
is no more than oh I'd say two hundred

908
00:42:38,949 --> 00:42:37,519
two hundred feet away there's nothing

909
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:38,959
there there's there's not even tire

910
00:42:43,390 --> 00:42:40,729
tracks on the ground and we're talking

911
00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:43,400
about a desert ground where your

912
00:42:47,229 --> 00:42:45,049
footsteps every footstep you take you

913
00:42:49,449 --> 00:42:47,239
can see the imprints of your feet or car

914
00:42:52,809 --> 00:42:49,459
tires or anything there's nothing there

915
00:42:54,609 --> 00:42:52,819
now just two or a track a little bit on

916
00:42:57,189 --> 00:42:54,619
these trips you were going there with

917
00:42:58,539 --> 00:42:57,199
your fiance right no that's that's the

918
00:43:01,719 --> 00:42:58,549
initial trip what initially got me

919
00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:01,729
interested like Chris was talking about

920
00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:04,910
that same area of that the Four Corners

921
00:43:11,380 --> 00:43:07,849
area I guess raped between southeastern

922
00:43:14,140 --> 00:43:11,390
Utah and southwestern not Colorado is is

923
00:43:15,370 --> 00:43:14,150
where the event initially started as we

924
00:43:17,859 --> 00:43:15,380
were driving actually to Las Vegas

925
00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:17,869
nothing to do with Utah or skinwalkers

926
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:18,710
or

927
00:43:25,810 --> 00:43:22,880
Bigelow's ranch so so she at this point

928
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:25,820
after after the event whatever happened

929
00:43:30,130 --> 00:43:28,490
with with me and her that really kind of

930
00:43:32,740 --> 00:43:30,140
traumatized her in a lot of ways and she

931
00:43:34,839 --> 00:43:32,750
the two of us had we went to different

932
00:43:37,540 --> 00:43:34,849
directions with our life almost I mean I

933
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:37,550
became obsessed with finding out what

934
00:43:42,250 --> 00:43:40,490
had happened whereas she wanted nothing

935
00:43:44,530 --> 00:43:42,260
to do with the topic I mean she wanted

936
00:43:45,250 --> 00:43:44,540
to bury the the memories as completely

937
00:43:47,530 --> 00:43:45,260
as she could

938
00:43:49,180 --> 00:43:47,540
is that her current she didn't go with

939
00:43:51,070 --> 00:43:49,190
me I went alone is that her current

940
00:43:52,450 --> 00:43:51,080
position stay away from it it's

941
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,460
definitely her current position she

942
00:43:56,859 --> 00:43:54,560
wants nothing to do with the topic so

943
00:43:58,839 --> 00:43:56,869
how does she react to your constant

944
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:58,849
interest and maybe your obsession with

945
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:01,280
this just a silly hobby now or what I

946
00:44:06,490 --> 00:44:03,680
believe it a fact that our our marriage

947
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:06,500
to a point where we eventually got

948
00:44:10,170 --> 00:44:07,130
divorced

949
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:10,180
haha cuz it was definitely a catalyst in

950
00:44:15,730 --> 00:44:12,650
in our relationship where she was more

951
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:15,740
interested in the grounded kind of

952
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:20,330
lifestyle of high fashion and Kardashian

953
00:44:24,460 --> 00:44:22,880
and stuff on TV and a nice stir taking a

954
00:44:27,070 --> 00:44:24,470
completely different pursuit with my

955
00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:27,080
life obsessing over it reading about it

956
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:28,910
and taking these trips all over the

957
00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:31,730
southwest it didn't the two lifestyles

958
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,310
didn't didn't mesh at all and it created

959
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:36,560
some tension between us I guess that's

960
00:44:41,140 --> 00:44:38,089
the big thing though when people get

961
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:41,150
really involved in paranormal research

962
00:44:47,620 --> 00:44:44,089
it can wreak havoc on relationships I

963
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:47,630
understand that I'm somewhat of a

964
00:44:51,339 --> 00:44:49,760
obsessive person to begin with when I

965
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:51,349
get interested in a topic I mean I

966
00:44:57,700 --> 00:44:53,510
really put everything into it I invest

967
00:44:59,770 --> 00:44:57,710
everything to build whatever whatever

968
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:59,780
hobby I'm into or whatever my interest

969
00:45:05,020 --> 00:45:01,760
is that must have played a role as well

970
00:45:08,109 --> 00:45:05,030
and and what happened what happened to

971
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:08,119
us on i-70 on that trip to Vegas sparked

972
00:45:12,430 --> 00:45:09,890
this interest in me that this still

973
00:45:14,140 --> 00:45:12,440
burns to this day and I think the

974
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:14,150
answers are out there I mean not just at

975
00:45:20,740 --> 00:45:15,710
the ranch but in the entire base and in

976
00:45:24,099 --> 00:45:20,750
that Four Corners area well one thing

977
00:45:26,349 --> 00:45:24,109
you wonder here is aside from our corner

978
00:45:29,230 --> 00:45:26,359
of the world and reality TV shows and

979
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:29,240
such we're not getting a lot of

980
00:45:32,260 --> 00:45:31,609
attention on these events by the

981
00:45:37,450 --> 00:45:32,270
national

982
00:45:39,100 --> 00:45:37,460
eeeh at all yes I mean the media

983
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:39,110
associate Bigfoot with the topic

984
00:45:45,310 --> 00:45:41,450
suddenly everybody is interested or or

985
00:45:48,250 --> 00:45:45,320
haunting possibly or a chupacabra but uh

986
00:45:49,810 --> 00:45:48,260
this topic seems largely ignored for

987
00:45:54,310 --> 00:45:49,820
some reason which I don't understand

988
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:54,320
maybe it's not quite as accessible if

989
00:45:59,530 --> 00:45:57,050
you get my point the marketing is maybe

990
00:46:01,900 --> 00:45:59,540
a bit more difficult and it has to be

991
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:01,910
marketing when it comes to the people -

992
00:46:07,090 --> 00:46:05,690
and reality shows what I have to see

993
00:46:10,060 --> 00:46:07,100
there I think there's gonna shift

994
00:46:13,060 --> 00:46:10,070
someone in the past recent uh recent

995
00:46:18,580 --> 00:46:13,070
five years interest is beginning to

996
00:46:20,980 --> 00:46:18,590
build in the topic and you can go on all

997
00:46:23,050 --> 00:46:20,990
the different BFRO hunts you want and

998
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:23,060
look for Bigfoot people just aren't

999
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:24,560
finding those kind of things getting

1000
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,370
cursory glances of of him on videotape

1001
00:46:33,370 --> 00:46:31,040
or thermal thermal catch of it but uh

1002
00:46:34,990 --> 00:46:33,380
it's another thing to go out anywhere in

1003
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:35,000
the basin and really to spend some time

1004
00:46:40,750 --> 00:46:37,310
I mean I'm talking like a week or two in

1005
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:40,760
the deep desert alone there is some sort

1006
00:46:45,220 --> 00:46:43,760
of intelligence at play and alien

1007
00:46:47,860 --> 00:46:45,230
intelligence at play that that's out

1008
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:47,870
there that's that's unknown but uh

1009
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:50,330
nonetheless very real and interacts with

1010
00:47:00,400 --> 00:46:56,480
us now with you what kind of

1011
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:00,410
interactions have you had other than

1012
00:47:10,210 --> 00:47:06,170
your initial encounter see the only I've

1013
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:10,220
had - well maybe three interactions that

1014
00:47:15,220 --> 00:47:11,930
that's what I'm always looking for and

1015
00:47:16,780 --> 00:47:15,230
always running from is uh you know the

1016
00:47:18,970 --> 00:47:16,790
answers are through the interactions

1017
00:47:20,590 --> 00:47:18,980
it's not just through videotaping a ball

1018
00:47:22,750 --> 00:47:20,600
of light on the ground floating around

1019
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:22,760
there's really no information that can

1020
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:25,520
be gathered from that interaction like

1021
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:27,170
communication is really what I'm looking

1022
00:47:29,170 --> 00:47:27,650
for

1023
00:47:30,610 --> 00:47:29,180
that's you know what is the intentions

1024
00:47:32,770 --> 00:47:30,620
of these things what are they were they

1025
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:32,780
from what does it all mean and how does

1026
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:35,530
it relate to myself

1027
00:47:42,850 --> 00:47:40,490
let's see many taught a pretty

1028
00:47:45,070 --> 00:47:42,860
consistent recurring theme that's

1029
00:47:46,089 --> 00:47:45,080
happened out there is you'll hear two

1030
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,099
voices - male

1031
00:47:50,739 --> 00:47:48,559
voices having a conversation directly

1032
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:50,749
above your head and it's it's in a

1033
00:47:54,219 --> 00:47:52,249
language that almost sounds like English

1034
00:47:56,620 --> 00:47:54,229
I mean you get this impression that you

1035
00:48:00,400 --> 00:47:56,630
can just about understand what they're

1036
00:48:02,890 --> 00:48:00,410
talking about but uh it's it's muffled

1037
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:02,900
or it's it's hard to hear and just as

1038
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:05,650
abruptly as it as it occurs it goes away

1039
00:48:13,569 --> 00:48:08,450
now when you've heard those voices you

1040
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:13,579
had people with you trying to think I

1041
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:15,890
know I understand why I'll send that

1042
00:48:19,029 --> 00:48:17,599
they coming up you'll understand why I

1043
00:48:21,579 --> 00:48:19,039
say that because some people will say

1044
00:48:22,450 --> 00:48:21,589
well he's just your voices hearing

1045
00:48:25,660 --> 00:48:22,460
voices in his head

1046
00:48:27,370 --> 00:48:25,670
sure no no but what's and I agree with

1047
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:27,380
them fully acknowledged that somebody

1048
00:48:31,450 --> 00:48:29,690
would conclude that what's interesting

1049
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:31,460
is the other invest that is a pretty

1050
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:33,200
common phenomena out there so I'm not

1051
00:48:37,269 --> 00:48:35,359
alone and having that happen and if I

1052
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:37,279
was I would you know could you actually

1053
00:48:41,259 --> 00:48:39,049
record these voices or had they actually

1054
00:48:44,049 --> 00:48:41,269
just between my two ears you knows it

1055
00:48:45,789 --> 00:48:44,059
all in my head so the fact that it

1056
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:45,799
happens to others and it happens

1057
00:48:48,849 --> 00:48:47,690
somewhat frequently even to the locals

1058
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:48,859
out there well I mean not even

1059
00:48:54,700 --> 00:48:50,930
especially to the locals out there that

1060
00:48:57,930 --> 00:48:54,710
it's a little bit of comfort to me that

1061
00:49:01,509 --> 00:48:57,940
I'm not losing my mind I guess but uh

1062
00:49:04,029 --> 00:49:01,519
interaction interaction yeah the the

1063
00:49:06,579 --> 00:49:04,039
biggest story are the most phenomenal

1064
00:49:08,499 --> 00:49:06,589
thing that ever occurred to me was one

1065
00:49:10,749 --> 00:49:08,509
day I was observing the ranch from about

1066
00:49:12,819 --> 00:49:10,759
a quarter quarter of a mile away from a

1067
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:12,829
pretty high vantage point as I'm looking

1068
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:15,200
down into the ranch I could see these

1069
00:49:20,650 --> 00:49:18,079
balls of light I'm gonna I'm just gonna

1070
00:49:23,170 --> 00:49:20,660
gloss over this it's a long story

1071
00:49:24,370 --> 00:49:23,180
long story short these balls of light

1072
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:24,380
they were dancing around the fields

1073
00:49:28,180 --> 00:49:26,089
around the ranch on the ranch house

1074
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:28,190
itself and even following one of the

1075
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:30,410
guards behind one of the guards as if he

1076
00:49:34,660 --> 00:49:33,200
didn't even know what was there three of

1077
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,670
them broke away there's probably about

1078
00:49:38,739 --> 00:49:36,319
eight to nine of them and total three of

1079
00:49:41,319 --> 00:49:38,749
them broke away made their way over to

1080
00:49:42,989 --> 00:49:41,329
my location they would kind of glow real

1081
00:49:45,249 --> 00:49:42,999
bright and then dim into nothingness

1082
00:49:47,380 --> 00:49:45,259
eventually they made their way right to

1083
00:49:48,759 --> 00:49:47,390
my spot you know as he as he dimmed out

1084
00:49:51,759 --> 00:49:48,769
you had no idea where they were gonna

1085
00:49:53,019 --> 00:49:51,769
reappear next and I guess a fearful part

1086
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:53,029
of me was hoping they weren't gonna

1087
00:49:57,959 --> 00:49:55,249
reappear right in front of me which they

1088
00:49:59,830 --> 00:49:57,969
did right above my head three of them

1089
00:50:01,300 --> 00:49:59,840
appeared they shined up

1090
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:01,310
pretty bright light rate down on me and

1091
00:50:07,300 --> 00:50:05,090
another investigator at that point you

1092
00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:07,310
know all bets were off we thought we

1093
00:50:11,710 --> 00:50:09,110
were observing it from a safe vantage

1094
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:11,720
point we were obviously caught that

1095
00:50:17,410 --> 00:50:14,450
whatever it was they then winked out

1096
00:50:17,740 --> 00:50:17,420
again and appeared 30 feet in front of

1097
00:50:19,690 --> 00:50:17,750
us

1098
00:50:22,330 --> 00:50:19,700
landed on the ground and shut off shut

1099
00:50:23,710 --> 00:50:22,340
off this blazing light that it was in

1100
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:23,720
the middle of night I mean everything

1101
00:50:30,460 --> 00:50:27,290
became like daylight at that point once

1102
00:50:32,110 --> 00:50:30,470
it landed I realized at that point

1103
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:32,120
there's there's nowhere to run I'm on

1104
00:50:36,070 --> 00:50:33,770
the edge of Amon that skinwalker Ridge

1105
00:50:37,870 --> 00:50:36,080
on a cliff I can't just run off the

1106
00:50:40,450 --> 00:50:37,880
cliff and they're right in front of me I

1107
00:50:41,830 --> 00:50:40,460
can't run towards them and do I want to

1108
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:41,840
run at all I mean here are the answers

1109
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:46,690
right in front of me before me I saw a I

1110
00:50:51,010 --> 00:50:49,010
call it a shadow but I call it more of a

1111
00:50:53,110 --> 00:50:51,020
three-dimensional shadow as if the

1112
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:53,120
shadow itself had substance and had lift

1113
00:50:59,740 --> 00:50:57,130
itself off the ground and like a murky

1114
00:51:02,260 --> 00:50:59,750
murky blackness that was blacker than

1115
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:02,270
the night sky around me and and this

1116
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:05,810
thing stirred swirling like a whirlwind

1117
00:51:10,270 --> 00:51:07,730
and eventually took shape and it took

1118
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:10,280
the shape of a wolf oh boy we're gonna

1119
00:51:15,310 --> 00:51:12,170
stop it there and we'll go on to this in

1120
00:51:19,090 --> 00:51:15,320
our next segment no wolves in the

1121
00:51:22,030 --> 00:51:19,100
audience but what about cats what about

1122
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:22,040
dogs I'm not sure I'm sure by the way

1123
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that you can find us on Twitter if you

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1152
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stating a central bank issuing the

1153
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1154
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1161
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1162
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1163
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media will never tell We the People this

1164
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1166
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1192
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:12,660
here's Jane Steinberg we have the

1193
00:54:18,290 --> 00:54:14,970
computerized Chris O'Brien no more

1194
00:54:22,460 --> 00:54:18,300
werewolves here but Ryan Skinner okay so

1195
00:54:23,330 --> 00:54:22,470
this resolves itself into the shape of a

1196
00:54:32,540 --> 00:54:23,340
wolf

1197
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:32,550
that uh walks up to us from where these

1198
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:35,130
balls of light had landed it's now no

1199
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:37,650
more than an arm's length away from from

1200
00:54:41,540 --> 00:54:39,930
me and this other investigator it just

1201
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:41,550
stands right there and stares at us

1202
00:54:46,490 --> 00:54:44,370
again this is this is not a fanatical

1203
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:46,500
story or some sort of fantasy of mine

1204
00:54:49,610 --> 00:54:47,910
and this actually happened

1205
00:54:51,830 --> 00:54:49,620
unfortunately it doesn't have some sort

1206
00:54:53,150 --> 00:54:51,840
of dramatic climax to it there was no

1207
00:54:55,850 --> 00:54:53,160
community there may have been

1208
00:54:58,640 --> 00:54:55,860
communication but on a level level that

1209
00:55:01,160 --> 00:54:58,650
I guess I didn't expect you know sort of

1210
00:55:03,860 --> 00:55:01,170
telepathy or voice clear voice in the

1211
00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:03,870
head it definitely didn't talk the eyes

1212
00:55:09,410 --> 00:55:06,510
didn't glow it didn't stand up on two

1213
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:09,420
legs but it it was within I could have

1214
00:55:14,450 --> 00:55:12,690
reached out and petted it touched it it

1215
00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:14,460
was just right there and it sat there

1216
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:16,200
for five minutes just staring at us

1217
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:19,530
directly in the eye and we didn't know

1218
00:55:22,100 --> 00:55:20,130
what to do

1219
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:22,110
you know we're just frozen like statues

1220
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:23,520
I mean I don't know if I was frozen

1221
00:55:27,050 --> 00:55:25,050
because it did something to me to freeze

1222
00:55:29,420 --> 00:55:27,060
me but I or if it was just a shock of

1223
00:55:32,810 --> 00:55:29,430
the moment no Arana this was a

1224
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:32,820
normal-sized wolf not the oversized kind

1225
00:55:39,860 --> 00:55:35,850
of spectral wolves that that Terry and

1226
00:55:42,110 --> 00:55:39,870
Gwen and there's yeah this is a real

1227
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:42,120
story so I you know I'm not and all my

1228
00:55:45,380 --> 00:55:44,130
stories are real they might sound like

1229
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:45,390
they're fiction you know as I'm reading

1230
00:55:48,620 --> 00:55:46,890
the book I kept thinking like Jesus

1231
00:55:51,140 --> 00:55:48,630
sounding like fiction but this is this

1232
00:55:53,060 --> 00:55:51,150
actually happened this was a I'd say a

1233
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:53,070
normal sized wolf this was not some sort

1234
00:55:57,650 --> 00:55:55,290
of you know the size of a car

1235
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:57,660
behemoth right in front of me the unique

1236
00:56:01,840 --> 00:55:59,280
thing about it though it did have a long

1237
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:01,850
bushy tail that was dragging behind it

1238
00:56:08,330 --> 00:56:05,850
and just its demeanor was was unique

1239
00:56:09,140 --> 00:56:08,340
this was not a dog I guess I'm not a

1240
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:09,150
wolf expert

1241
00:56:15,950 --> 00:56:12,210
but it wasn't a it was not a someone's

1242
00:56:17,900 --> 00:56:15,960
powdered something and it just it

1243
00:56:20,839 --> 00:56:17,910
steered us directly in the eyes for for

1244
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:20,849
a good five minutes and then stood stood

1245
00:56:26,029 --> 00:56:23,730
up turned around walked behind a nearby

1246
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:26,039
rock and vanished he walked up to the

1247
00:56:27,710 --> 00:56:27,210
rock and look for it there was nothing

1248
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:27,720
there

1249
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:30,480
did it make any sound did growl at you

1250
00:56:34,910 --> 00:56:31,440
or something

1251
00:56:38,180 --> 00:56:34,920
it didn't growl it really trying to

1252
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:38,190
relive the moment it didn't uh there was

1253
00:56:43,549 --> 00:56:41,520
no hostility in it at the same time it

1254
00:56:45,170 --> 00:56:43,559
wasn't nudging its head against the side

1255
00:56:49,130 --> 00:56:45,180
of my leg I think like the story in the

1256
00:56:52,250 --> 00:56:49,140
Sherman book no indifferent absolutely

1257
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:52,260
it gave a look of indifference as if as

1258
00:56:58,220 --> 00:56:55,200
if it was more analyzing us than we were

1259
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:58,230
of it as if it it knew exactly what we

1260
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:00,240
were but we were in shock of whatever it

1261
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:03,119
was was it larger or smaller than what

1262
00:57:08,839 --> 00:57:06,690
you'd envisioned a wolf to be I guess

1263
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:08,849
it's exactly the size I would imagine a

1264
00:57:15,049 --> 00:57:11,760
wolf to be possibly it was just dirtier

1265
00:57:17,180 --> 00:57:15,059
than what I expected and I thought I

1266
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:17,190
guess I don't know clean wolves are but

1267
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:20,730
this thing you know in the book it does

1268
00:57:23,329 --> 00:57:21,930
bring up an interesting detail on the

1269
00:57:25,099 --> 00:57:23,339
book hunt for the skinwalker they do

1270
00:57:26,900 --> 00:57:25,109
talk about that you know the bulletproof

1271
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:26,910
wolf and they talk about shooting it and

1272
00:57:30,529 --> 00:57:28,650
a hunk of flesh flies off the wolf and

1273
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:30,539
falls on the ground and I think they go

1274
00:57:34,099 --> 00:57:31,920
up to that piece of flesh and they said

1275
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:34,109
it smelled like rotting or appeared like

1276
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:38,880
rotting flesh so this was a zombie wolf

1277
00:57:45,170 --> 00:57:43,650
but yet uh that description might hold

1278
00:57:46,670 --> 00:57:45,180
some weight it had no smell to it as

1279
00:57:48,289 --> 00:57:46,680
well unfortunately it didn't smell like

1280
00:57:50,750 --> 00:57:48,299
sulfur always owned or anything unique

1281
00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:50,760
but I was in such such a state of shock

1282
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:54,569
at that point that I'm just hyper

1283
00:58:00,559 --> 00:57:57,599
fixated on had you read had you read the

1284
00:58:04,579 --> 00:58:00,569
book the nap and Kelleher book at this

1285
00:58:11,900 --> 00:58:04,589
point so you aware of the one connection

1286
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:11,910
yes or a 357 magnum didn't enter your

1287
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:13,920
mind because you figured if this thing

1288
00:58:20,329 --> 00:58:17,520
appeared you know out of thin air that

1289
00:58:22,340 --> 00:58:20,339
firing at it would probably just ticked

1290
00:58:25,070 --> 00:58:22,350
it off or something

1291
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:25,080
I remember my thought process process at

1292
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:31,440
the time and kind of it surprises me a

1293
00:58:34,700 --> 00:58:33,210
little bit my thought process was I

1294
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:34,710
wanted to reach out and and actually

1295
00:58:40,370 --> 00:58:37,410
kick it hit it kick it get it you know

1296
00:58:42,050 --> 00:58:40,380
get it out of there and and I kept

1297
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:42,060
something else suppressed that

1298
00:58:46,310 --> 00:58:44,130
immediately I mean this this threat is

1299
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:46,320
right in front of your face and it's not

1300
00:58:49,010 --> 00:58:46,890
going away

1301
00:58:51,370 --> 00:58:49,020
I guess that might have been my

1302
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:51,380
instinctual reaction to it

1303
00:58:59,770 --> 00:58:54,090
did you ever fear for a moment this

1304
00:59:05,210 --> 00:58:59,780
thing would attack you yes yeah I did

1305
00:59:06,770 --> 00:59:05,220
and you didn't want any fault what we

1306
00:59:08,660 --> 00:59:06,780
really didn't have any weapons we didn't

1307
00:59:10,750 --> 00:59:08,670
have a gun on us or I think we might

1308
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:10,760
have had a pocket knife or something but

1309
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:14,240
if if it wanted to attack we were pretty

1310
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:19,770
bare at that time and wolf meat did you

1311
00:59:25,820 --> 00:59:21,810
feel any urge then that maybe arm

1312
00:59:28,190 --> 00:59:25,830
yourself on future occasions or just we

1313
00:59:30,530 --> 00:59:28,200
were satisfied that this creature

1314
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:30,540
whatever it was wasn't interested in

1315
00:59:38,060 --> 00:59:34,290
doing anything nasty cracked that that

1316
00:59:39,890 --> 00:59:38,070
was again I give people when you're in

1317
00:59:42,620 --> 00:59:39,900
the moment of something I'm when you're

1318
00:59:44,540 --> 00:59:42,630
experiencing the unknown you you

1319
00:59:47,300 --> 00:59:44,550
immediately were at least I do I revert

1320
00:59:48,740 --> 00:59:47,310
to instinctual reactions on how how best

1321
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:48,750
to overcome the obstacle in front of me

1322
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:51,410
and that's either to fight or flight

1323
00:59:55,610 --> 00:59:53,850
flight wasn't an option because I'm

1324
01:00:01,820 --> 00:59:55,620
standing with my back to the edge of a

1325
01:00:04,340 --> 01:00:01,830
cliff and luckily on the ridge

1326
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:04,350
overlooking yeah the ranch to the north

1327
01:00:09,170 --> 01:00:07,050
of the ranch boundary then yes I'm

1328
01:00:11,660 --> 01:00:09,180
trying to get a better sense of where

1329
01:00:14,300 --> 01:00:11,670
you were actually located they call it

1330
01:00:15,740 --> 01:00:14,310
werewolf Ridge it's it's the one part of

1331
01:00:17,900 --> 01:00:15,750
the ridge that kind of juts out a little

1332
01:00:20,750 --> 01:00:17,910
bit onto the field well he's a real good

1333
01:00:22,820 --> 01:00:20,760
view into the the ranch house now just

1334
01:00:24,650 --> 01:00:22,830
thinking out here you were frightened if

1335
01:00:27,650 --> 01:00:24,660
you could have gone back too far and

1336
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:27,660
fallen well that that's why I limited

1337
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:29,250
the of the two options the fight or

1338
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:30,690
flight it eliminated the flight part

1339
01:00:34,550 --> 01:00:33,210
because I had nowhere to run we exactly

1340
01:00:36,020 --> 01:00:34,560
would have fallen off the edge of the

1341
01:00:37,580 --> 01:00:36,030
cliff and

1342
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:37,590
chris is pretty familiar with that area

1343
01:00:42,140 --> 01:00:40,410
it would have been a good fall no you

1344
01:00:45,380 --> 01:00:42,150
don't you don't want to go off that the

1345
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:45,390
edge of that particular rock formation

1346
01:00:48,980 --> 01:00:46,770
there that's that's pretty high up it's

1347
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:48,990
about 30 or 40 feet to the next level

1348
01:00:54,110 --> 01:00:51,440
but probably even more at that point

1349
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:54,120
well you know there's there's a we do

1350
01:00:59,480 --> 01:00:56,610
have a lot of new listeners each week

1351
01:01:01,490 --> 01:00:59,490
Ryan on the show and obviously we're

1352
01:01:04,930 --> 01:01:01,500
going with the assumption that folks are

1353
01:01:09,980 --> 01:01:04,940
familiar with this case but but perhaps

1354
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:09,990
you can give us a a quick background err

1355
01:01:15,350 --> 01:01:14,160
on the case you know I've been linked to

1356
01:01:16,970 --> 01:01:15,360
the case whether I like it or not

1357
01:01:18,590 --> 01:01:16,980
because I was the first investigator

1358
01:01:23,230 --> 01:01:18,600
that ever went up there to my knowledge

1359
01:01:27,590 --> 01:01:23,240
from outside of the local area there in

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01:01:29,900 --> 01:01:27,600
1996 and of course the schurmans were

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01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:29,910
featured in a series of désirée news

1362
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:33,440
articles written by zack van eck in late

1363
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:37,440
actually was early July believe 96 that

1364
01:01:43,700 --> 01:01:40,310
put national attention on the case

1365
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:43,710
robert bigelow I actually gave Terry

1366
01:01:46,910 --> 01:01:45,450
Robert Bigelow's phone number and also

1367
01:01:48,410 --> 01:01:46,920
Lawrence Rockefellers phone number

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01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:48,420
because he wanted to get out of there

1369
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:50,130
and he wanted to sell the ranch and and

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01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:52,170
get his family out of there because he

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01:01:56,330 --> 01:01:54,480
was in fear for their safety and before

1372
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:56,340
he could even make those calls I think

1373
01:01:59,960 --> 01:01:57,810
it was at night of the following day

1374
01:02:01,970 --> 01:01:59,970
Bigelow had heard about the had read the

1375
01:02:06,290 --> 01:02:01,980
article somebody had Ford it to him and

1376
01:02:08,500 --> 01:02:06,300
and he had obtained Terry's number and

1377
01:02:13,610 --> 01:02:08,510
called him and said he wanted to discuss

1378
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:13,620
with him the case and Terry said that's

1379
01:02:18,110 --> 01:02:16,530
funny that you should call I'm trying to

1380
01:02:20,210 --> 01:02:18,120
sell this place and an investigator was

1381
01:02:22,100 --> 01:02:20,220
up here he gave me your number which

1382
01:02:24,530 --> 01:02:22,110
I've always found kind of curious that

1383
01:02:27,380 --> 01:02:24,540
Bigelow should jump all over that that

1384
01:02:30,380 --> 01:02:27,390
particular article within a day or two

1385
01:02:33,620 --> 01:02:30,390
if I remember correctly of it being

1386
01:02:38,330 --> 01:02:33,630
released in Utah but let's let's go

1387
01:02:41,090 --> 01:02:38,340
ahead and and mention that the the ranch

1388
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:41,100
is still under secure conditions there

1389
01:02:46,340 --> 01:02:43,440
are ex-military types of patrolling the

1390
01:02:49,580 --> 01:02:46,350
ranch no one is allowed on the ranch

1391
01:02:54,020 --> 01:02:49,590
pretty much for any reason other than

1392
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:54,030
sanctioned Bigelow Aerospace personnel

1393
01:03:00,920 --> 01:02:57,450
and once you give us a background Iran

1394
01:03:04,820 --> 01:03:00,930
Kelleher and Knapp's book that came out

1395
01:03:08,450 --> 01:03:04,830
when I think in 2004 or was it 2005 I'm

1396
01:03:10,670 --> 01:03:08,460
not sure its 2004 what would you like to

1397
01:03:12,770 --> 01:03:10,680
know well just give some of our

1398
01:03:15,110 --> 01:03:12,780
first-time listeners and people that may

1399
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:15,120
not be familiar with the case good just

1400
01:03:19,850 --> 01:03:17,850
give them a quick thumbnail sketch of of

1401
01:03:22,610 --> 01:03:19,860
the case let's do this here we're about

1402
01:03:24,050 --> 01:03:22,620
to break so when we come back after a

1403
01:03:27,020 --> 01:03:24,060
few brief announcements

1404
01:03:29,660 --> 01:03:27,030
Ryan Skinner let's have you give the

1405
01:03:32,210 --> 01:03:29,670
basics of the case spend much of the

1406
01:03:34,490 --> 01:03:32,220
segment going over this so as we go on

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all our listeners are on the same page

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how's that Ryan Skinner joins us with

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Jean and Chris you're in the para cast

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protectors a former military

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock ODEs and

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the coming of the protectors find out

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burglars usually picking the easy target

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a dark house that looks like no one is

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someone is home watching TV by

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simulating the light from a real TV fake

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coming home to a secured house or one

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that's been ransacked to get your fake

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podcast.com he's author of skinwalker

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ranch path the skinwalker Chris asked a

1513
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question to kind of explain a little bit

1514
01:08:22,650 --> 01:08:19,900
more background for our new listeners go

1515
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ahead please well the book is perhaps

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the number one most inspirational book

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of our fascinating book I've read about

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the paranormal and what a what always

1519
01:08:35,820 --> 01:08:32,799
interested me is that we have a location

1520
01:08:37,169 --> 01:08:35,830
where a billionaire purchased or at that

1521
01:08:40,829 --> 01:08:37,179
time was I think he still is a

1522
01:08:42,660 --> 01:08:40,839
billionaire purchased this ranch this

1523
01:08:44,700 --> 01:08:42,670
haunted ranch where these owners were

1524
01:08:46,740 --> 01:08:44,710
terrorized by all this different

1525
01:08:49,919 --> 01:08:46,750
paranormal phenomena that had occurred

1526
01:08:52,579 --> 01:08:49,929
to them they sought help by police an

1527
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:52,589
article I believe such a long synopsis

1528
01:08:58,829 --> 01:08:55,810
they placed an article a reporter came

1529
01:09:00,959 --> 01:08:58,839
out and interviewed them and they were

1530
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:00,969
just kind of seeking help from from the

1531
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:02,650
public or talking about their tale

1532
01:09:06,780 --> 01:09:05,890
Bigelow the billionaire who owns the

1533
01:09:09,450 --> 01:09:06,790
Bigelow of sweets

1534
01:09:12,090 --> 01:09:09,460
out of Vegas was interested in acquiring

1535
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:12,100
the the ranch out there he did acquire

1536
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:14,770
it I think he kept Terry Sherman on as

1537
01:09:20,459 --> 01:09:17,890
as a proprietor on the ranch and he

1538
01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:20,469
brought his team of experts known at

1539
01:09:24,559 --> 01:09:22,960
that time as knids onto the ranch to to

1540
01:09:27,329 --> 01:09:24,569
research the phenomena out there and

1541
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:27,339
back then a lot of the research was

1542
01:09:31,530 --> 01:09:29,170
public published for public

1543
01:09:32,729 --> 01:09:31,540
dissemination and they had some

1544
01:09:35,130 --> 01:09:32,739
fascinating I mean one of the most

1545
01:09:37,410 --> 01:09:35,140
fascinating tales I've ever read and in

1546
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:37,420
any paranormal literature about the

1547
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:39,489
various events that that had occurred to

1548
01:09:43,709 --> 01:09:41,710
that research team from Bigfoot

1549
01:09:45,050 --> 01:09:43,719
sightings to balls of light to portals

1550
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:45,060
opening up on the ranch

1551
01:09:48,900 --> 01:09:47,199
really the whole paranormal gambit

1552
01:09:53,059 --> 01:09:48,910
seemed to have occurred out there and

1553
01:09:55,410 --> 01:09:53,069
just it yeah werewolves and even uh

1554
01:09:58,260 --> 01:09:55,420
intelligence that I think possessed one

1555
01:10:01,860 --> 01:09:58,270
of the one of the researchers and the

1556
01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:01,870
book the the only problem I have with is

1557
01:10:06,899 --> 01:10:04,239
it just kind of just Hardin Lee

1558
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:06,909
without without a lot of visual evidence

1559
01:10:11,729 --> 01:10:09,040
or any sort of evidence whatsoever about

1560
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:11,739
some of the fantastic tales that that

1561
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:13,840
napkin Kelleher discuss in the book and

1562
01:10:20,970 --> 01:10:17,650
and furthermore it left out the location

1563
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:20,980
of the ranch and and left the reader

1564
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:22,960
with the impression that whatever was

1565
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:26,050
happening out there has now subsided and

1566
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:28,239
it's kind of case closed which which is

1567
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:31,330
absolutely not the case do you think

1568
01:10:37,979 --> 01:10:34,210
that was done Ryan to discourage people

1569
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:37,989
from visiting the site definitely

1570
01:10:43,169 --> 01:10:39,600
absolutely

1571
01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:43,179
I think the book actually was was a form

1572
01:10:48,990 --> 01:10:46,719
of of public relations and in trying to

1573
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:49,000
give people you know so many people

1574
01:10:52,010 --> 01:10:51,010
became interested in the case so so

1575
01:10:55,410 --> 01:10:52,020
quickly

1576
01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:55,420
that the case gained so much notoriety

1577
01:10:59,729 --> 01:10:57,489
because of the you know the very

1578
01:11:02,459 --> 01:10:59,739
sensational events that were reported

1579
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:02,469
going on there Knapp had released a

1580
01:11:07,169 --> 01:11:05,440
couple of newspaper articles a MyID

1581
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:07,179
referred to it

1582
01:11:12,570 --> 01:11:10,239
David Perkins wrote an article called

1583
01:11:15,149 --> 01:11:12,580
the ranch from Hell that got quite a bit

1584
01:11:16,590 --> 01:11:15,159
of a notoriety and so people really

1585
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:16,600
became interested in the case and I

1586
01:11:22,530 --> 01:11:20,050
think the book was was sanctioned and

1587
01:11:24,419 --> 01:11:22,540
allowed to be written by Bigelow because

1588
01:11:26,610 --> 01:11:24,429
you know Kelleher an app had to get his

1589
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:26,620
permission on some level to write to

1590
01:11:31,140 --> 01:11:28,570
write the book because at the time I

1591
01:11:33,419 --> 01:11:31,150
believe Cohn Kelleher was a managing

1592
01:11:35,580 --> 01:11:33,429
director for the National Institute for

1593
01:11:38,370 --> 01:11:35,590
discovery Sciences which is the acronym

1594
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:38,380
Ned's and I think the book was written

1595
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:40,960
to to kind of give people the

1596
01:11:45,540 --> 01:11:43,090
information in a in a form that would

1597
01:11:47,459 --> 01:11:45,550
then satisfy everybody but it had the

1598
01:11:49,500 --> 01:11:47,469
opposite effect that it turned the ranch

1599
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:49,510
into a magnet for people like you and

1600
01:11:55,290 --> 01:11:53,199
others who went to the ranch to observe

1601
01:11:57,300 --> 01:11:55,300
some of the phenomena that go on in it

1602
01:11:59,820 --> 01:11:57,310
in the region as you pointed out the

1603
01:12:02,189 --> 01:11:59,830
became the top of the show here this

1604
01:12:05,820 --> 01:12:02,199
seems to be a central point of a lot of

1605
01:12:07,860 --> 01:12:05,830
activity but there's been many many

1606
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:07,870
reports of cattle mutilations UFO

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01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:10,960
sightings Frank Salisbury a science

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01:12:15,780 --> 01:12:13,210
teacher in the area wrote a book with

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01:12:17,550 --> 01:12:15,790
junior Hicks a local investigator called

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01:12:20,310 --> 01:12:17,560
the great UFO you

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01:12:24,150 --> 01:12:20,320
UFO display which talked about the area

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01:12:26,910 --> 01:12:24,160
in the 60s 70s the tons of activity go

1613
01:12:29,490 --> 01:12:26,920
on in that here in the basin area but it

1614
01:12:31,230 --> 01:12:29,500
did have the book did have that opposite

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01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:31,240
effect of attracting attention to the

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01:12:40,260 --> 01:12:36,730
ranch and as a result it it had a kind

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01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:40,270
of a backlash effect and as a result of

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01:12:46,350 --> 01:12:43,570
that you know Bigelow had to secure the

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01:12:47,850 --> 01:12:46,360
ranch with armed personnel and you know

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01:12:51,060 --> 01:12:47,860
some of the stories that have come out

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01:12:53,540 --> 01:12:51,070
from from people like yourself you being

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01:12:56,220 --> 01:12:53,550
one of the most dogged and determined

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01:12:59,100 --> 01:12:56,230
investigators who spent probably as much

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01:13:01,590 --> 01:12:59,110
time as anybody up there that's not part

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01:13:03,390 --> 01:13:01,600
of the knids team you've actually

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01:13:05,580 --> 01:13:03,400
befriended people that have worked on

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01:13:09,450 --> 01:13:05,590
the ranch I don't know how much you want

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01:13:10,950 --> 01:13:09,460
to get into to your first appearance on

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01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:10,960
the para cast with David Weatherly

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01:13:15,620 --> 01:13:12,640
another investigator who spent time up

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01:13:19,950 --> 01:13:15,630
there and a gentleman that we kind of

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01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:19,960
pseudo named chip who was a security

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01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:24,010
person there and violated his

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01:13:28,710 --> 01:13:26,890
non-disclosure agreement that everybody

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01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:28,720
who is involved with the ranch for

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01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:32,170
Bigelow has to sign an NDA and and

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01:13:37,500 --> 01:13:33,730
they're disallowed to talk about

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01:13:39,330 --> 01:13:37,510
anything about the ranch and he has come

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01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:39,340
forward we've had a couple of questions

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01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:41,290
on our question thread it formed out the

1641
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:45,090
podcast comm asking you know how

1642
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:49,120
reliable do we think this this chip

1643
01:13:55,260 --> 01:13:51,970
character was and I remember a couple of

1644
01:13:59,910 --> 01:13:55,270
years ago on the show when this question

1645
01:14:03,900 --> 01:13:59,920
came up I assured people that he came

1646
01:14:09,540 --> 01:14:03,910
with impeccable documentation and and

1647
01:14:13,070 --> 01:14:09,550
credentials shall we say that proved to

1648
01:14:17,190 --> 01:14:13,080
me that he was who he said he was but

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01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:17,200
this whole thing has kind of got a life

1650
01:14:24,050 --> 01:14:19,930
of its own in your book is the first

1651
01:14:26,670 --> 01:14:24,060
real look at some of the attendant

1652
01:14:29,250 --> 01:14:26,680
activity that has gone on around the

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01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:29,260
ranch by people investigators such as

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01:14:33,870 --> 01:14:31,440
yourself and some of the

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01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:33,880
just incredible experiences that you've

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01:14:39,660 --> 01:14:36,970
had not even on the ranch but outside of

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01:14:41,580 --> 01:14:39,670
the ranch and you know you and I as I

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01:14:45,150 --> 01:14:41,590
mentioned before it did share one with a

1659
01:14:46,620 --> 01:14:45,160
film crew and we were up there but let's

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01:14:49,740 --> 01:14:46,630
continue now that we've given people

1661
01:14:52,020 --> 01:14:49,750
kind of a bit of a background we must

1662
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:52,030
stress that when we talk about a team of

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01:14:58,020 --> 01:14:55,360
experts these are you know credentialed

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01:15:00,180 --> 01:14:58,030
you know scientists with doctorates in

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01:15:01,980 --> 01:15:00,190
physics and various scientific

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01:15:04,050 --> 01:15:01,990
disciplines veterinary pathologist

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01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:04,060
investigating the many cattle mutilation

1668
01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:08,410
reports in the area for instance and so

1669
01:15:13,620 --> 01:15:11,280
these are these are you know in my

1670
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:13,630
estimation you could almost call them

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01:15:15,930 --> 01:15:14,080
world-class

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01:15:17,940 --> 01:15:15,940
scientists who are having these types of

1673
01:15:21,930 --> 01:15:17,950
experiences which were life-changing for

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01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:21,940
a number of them so let's go through

1675
01:15:25,530 --> 01:15:23,920
again let's continue back on our

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01:15:27,900 --> 01:15:25,540
narrative about some of the events that

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01:15:32,130 --> 01:15:27,910
you talk about in your book path of the

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01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:32,140
skinwalker and and let's kind of give

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01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:34,000
people a sense of what it's like to be

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01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:38,410
in the area sleuthing around there with

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01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:40,570
the threat of being eaten by wolves and

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01:15:47,580 --> 01:15:45,610
uh and you know arrested by yeah voices

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01:15:50,570 --> 01:15:47,590
in different languages and flashing

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01:15:53,190 --> 01:15:50,580
lights and in this reflective quality

1685
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:53,200
that seems to attract the type of

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01:15:59,550 --> 01:15:56,770
phenomenon that you're that you are in

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01:16:02,040 --> 01:15:59,560
fear of or you're even expecting there

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01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:02,050
is a certain reflective quality I see in

1689
01:16:06,510 --> 01:16:04,320
these in these reports of yours and

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01:16:08,430 --> 01:16:06,520
before we actually get into that we have

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to do our break so let me tell our

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listeners that we have Ryan Skinner the

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book is called skinwalker ranch path the

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skinwalker and we're going way beyond

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that very politically correct book from

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Keller her and Knapp called hunt for the

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skinwalker

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this takes it to the next level with

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either you make Pope you're listening to

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the parrot job politically correct

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that's one of the issues I guess that

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bothered me with their presentation that

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they're trying to be so protective of

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Bob Bigelow and his concerns that maybe

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not all the information was being fully

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presented you go for that Chris and Ryan

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yeah definitely only four people I think

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01:21:21,580 --> 01:21:19,190
I counted in the book or actually named

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everybody else has pseudonyms including

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the Sherman's who are called the

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Gorman's

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in the book there's no photographs

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there's no actual data there's no any

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01:21:35,950 --> 01:21:32,090
sort of documentation it all comes

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01:21:39,460 --> 01:21:35,960
across as kind of like campfire stories

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01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:39,470
ghost stories if you will having spoken

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with both gentlemen knowing George Knapp

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01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:45,410
fairly well over the years I sincerely

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01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:48,250
believe everything that's in that book

1831
01:21:54,580 --> 01:21:52,970
occurred as close to as an accurate

1832
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:54,590
description of these events I think

1833
01:21:59,230 --> 01:21:56,930
you'll find in the book but but the lack

1834
01:22:02,800 --> 01:21:59,240
of documentation the lack of photographs

1835
01:22:07,300 --> 01:22:02,810
the lack of identifying principles

1836
01:22:09,550 --> 01:22:07,310
involved to me is cagey it's not I I

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01:22:12,940 --> 01:22:09,560
think it had the opposite effect that

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01:22:15,130 --> 01:22:12,950
was intended it created more of a an

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01:22:18,850 --> 01:22:15,140
attraction to the ranch and to the case

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01:22:21,610 --> 01:22:18,860
then then than anything really how about

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01:22:24,130 --> 01:22:21,620
you Ryan what do you think well I think

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01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:24,140
there's a real business aspect to all of

1843
01:22:29,350 --> 01:22:26,080
this this is not some sort of a

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01:22:31,330 --> 01:22:29,360
fanatical hobby of a crazy billionaire

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01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:31,340
that this is this is actually an

1846
01:22:37,090 --> 01:22:35,600
extension of Bigelow Aerospace and a lot

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01:22:39,670 --> 01:22:37,100
of the secrets and information he's

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01:22:42,670 --> 01:22:39,680
gleaning from the studies at the ranch

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01:22:44,860 --> 01:22:42,680
you know it's not he's not gonna share

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01:22:47,380 --> 01:22:44,870
it it's it's a trade secret

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01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:47,390
also there's a lot of rumors that swirl

1852
01:22:51,820 --> 01:22:50,330
around and some of them yeah I guess

1853
01:22:54,010 --> 01:22:51,830
they're always gonna be rumors and hard

1854
01:22:56,020 --> 01:22:54,020
to pin down but that there are certain

1855
01:22:59,080 --> 01:22:56,030
three-letter government agencies that

1856
01:23:02,660 --> 01:22:59,090
have contracted with Bigelow to do some

1857
01:23:04,940 --> 01:23:02,670
of the research out there and are also

1858
01:23:07,450 --> 01:23:04,950
having some sort of benefit or learning

1859
01:23:11,300 --> 01:23:07,460
something from from that research for

1860
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:11,310
military applications well that kind of

1861
01:23:14,300 --> 01:23:12,810
begs the question do you think Bigelow

1862
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:14,310
is still in charge up there he's just

1863
01:23:22,630 --> 01:23:19,770
kind of a PR face I little bit of both

1864
01:23:24,860 --> 01:23:22,640
he's definitely get some sort of uh I

1865
01:23:26,930 --> 01:23:24,870
think both parties benefit I think the

1866
01:23:29,150 --> 01:23:26,940
government benefits for the military

1867
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:29,160
applications of what they're discovering

1868
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:30,960
out there and coming across and I think

1869
01:23:36,140 --> 01:23:34,170
Bigelow definitely with his aerospace

1870
01:23:38,270 --> 01:23:36,150
company he's got the challenge of how

1871
01:23:41,060 --> 01:23:38,280
he's gonna get payloads from the earth

1872
01:23:44,150 --> 01:23:41,070
to to his space stations he's got these

1873
01:23:47,830 --> 01:23:44,160
inflatable space stations out in space

1874
01:23:51,740 --> 01:23:47,840
and the cars only drive Utley owned

1875
01:23:54,050 --> 01:23:51,750
objects orbiting in space terms of

1876
01:23:56,030 --> 01:23:54,060
actual inhabitable

1877
01:23:58,490 --> 01:23:56,040
objects plus he's been contracted by

1878
01:24:02,840 --> 01:23:58,500
NASA to supply modules for the space

1879
01:24:06,770 --> 01:24:02,850
station and is also has a deal with the

1880
01:24:08,690 --> 01:24:06,780
FAA that when the FAA receives UFO

1881
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:08,700
reports they're referred on to Bigelow

1882
01:24:14,330 --> 01:24:10,410
Aerospace so a lot of people don't know

1883
01:24:15,410 --> 01:24:14,340
that sort there there is legitimacy to

1884
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:15,420
everything that's happening out there

1885
01:24:20,900 --> 01:24:17,520
and I'm just one voice and I can confirm

1886
01:24:23,450 --> 01:24:20,910
that there is but I think his own

1887
01:24:25,970 --> 01:24:23,460
interest demonstrates that were there

1888
01:24:29,480 --> 01:24:25,980
smoke there's fire and he's onto

1889
01:24:31,180 --> 01:24:29,490
something he's for business reasons he's

1890
01:24:33,710 --> 01:24:31,190
gleaning some sort of information and

1891
01:24:36,230 --> 01:24:33,720
with a team of physicists you know the

1892
01:24:37,250 --> 01:24:36,240
majority of the needs team had a PhDs

1893
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:37,260
and in physics

1894
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:40,770
he's my guess it's just an assumption

1895
01:24:47,540 --> 01:24:42,960
and guess on my part speculation that

1896
01:24:50,180 --> 01:24:47,550
has something to do with with travel

1897
01:24:52,100 --> 01:24:50,190
with with these portals and transporting

1898
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:52,110
objects from one place to another and

1899
01:24:57,610 --> 01:24:54,330
doing it without without having to use

1900
01:25:00,830 --> 01:24:57,620
liquid fuel to do sell expensive

1901
01:25:04,460 --> 01:25:00,840
gasoline's and whatnot it would be a

1902
01:25:06,260 --> 01:25:04,470
huge advantage to his company and then

1903
01:25:07,940 --> 01:25:06,270
from the military they you know they I

1904
01:25:12,670 --> 01:25:07,950
think one of the scientists was named

1905
01:25:15,660 --> 01:25:12,680
Eric Davis discussed having some sort of

1906
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:15,670
almost possession like

1907
01:25:19,950 --> 01:25:18,130
phenomena that occurred to him were one

1908
01:25:22,770 --> 01:25:19,960
of the intelligences took over his mind

1909
01:25:24,419 --> 01:25:22,780
and spoke through him and and even took

1910
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:24,429
control it said in the book of all of

1911
01:25:29,580 --> 01:25:26,410
his various senses so it had full

1912
01:25:32,189 --> 01:25:29,590
control of him like a puppet and some

1913
01:25:33,770 --> 01:25:32,199
from a military perspective that would

1914
01:25:38,910 --> 01:25:33,780
be pretty powerful and

1915
01:25:43,229 --> 01:25:38,920
and that's that is a one of the examples

1916
01:25:45,390 --> 01:25:43,239
of skinwalkers ability which is probably

1917
01:25:48,630 --> 01:25:45,400
about as close to a link that I can find

1918
01:25:52,260 --> 01:25:48,640
to the alleged abilities of a skinwalker

1919
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:52,270
and in the ranch there one of the things

1920
01:25:57,150 --> 01:25:54,370
that the skinwalker is supposedly able

1921
01:26:00,270 --> 01:25:57,160
to do is to take control of you and you

1922
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:00,280
become a walking talking functioning

1923
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:04,170
puppet at the whim of this particular

1924
01:26:09,780 --> 01:26:07,810
entity let's go on and talk some more

1925
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:09,790
about your trips out there and some of

1926
01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:11,770
the the things that you've experienced

1927
01:26:16,919 --> 01:26:15,040
and also then later let's talk about

1928
01:26:18,050 --> 01:26:16,929
your interaction with some of the locals

1929
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:18,060
around there

1930
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:20,080
sure and if you'd like to talk about

1931
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:21,610
chip as well that's always an

1932
01:26:24,959 --> 01:26:22,690
interesting topic

1933
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:24,969
you know what start with chip okay rush

1934
01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:27,449
time what's this current status of chip

1935
01:26:31,620 --> 01:26:29,920
what is he currently doing are you in

1936
01:26:34,919 --> 01:26:31,630
regular touch with him what's going on

1937
01:26:38,459 --> 01:26:34,929
we communicate from time to time I don't

1938
01:26:41,310 --> 01:26:38,469
really want to identify him too much but

1939
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:41,320
uh I can see he's no longer you

1940
01:26:46,169 --> 01:26:43,449
obviously no longer works for Bigelow

1941
01:26:48,330 --> 01:26:46,179
and company and uh he's not he's not

1942
01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:48,340
even in state anymore he's moved on he's

1943
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:51,520
moved out of state for a new job still

1944
01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:56,650
security or what no we're feeling too

1945
01:27:00,209 --> 01:26:58,480
much I think from what I've heard from

1946
01:27:02,570 --> 01:27:00,219
others I think they know exactly who he

1947
01:27:04,709 --> 01:27:02,580
is and kind of who this whistleblower is

1948
01:27:06,860 --> 01:27:04,719
so I don't know if I don't know if the

1949
01:27:10,169 --> 01:27:06,870
mystery or if the need for protections

1950
01:27:13,470 --> 01:27:10,179
as stringent as it was years ago when we

1951
01:27:16,350 --> 01:27:13,480
first talked I think big alone team they

1952
01:27:18,450 --> 01:27:16,360
know exactly who who chip is is my guess

1953
01:27:23,070 --> 01:27:18,460
and what I've heard from a few people do

1954
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:23,080
they just put up with him or what it's

1955
01:27:26,850 --> 01:27:24,730
kind of like that Bob Lazar thing the

1956
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:26,860
cats out of the bag at this point I mean

1957
01:27:31,130 --> 01:27:28,210
I don't know if bob was

1958
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:31,140
was a real deal or not but the fact that

1959
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:33,520
he made himself so public and the

1960
01:27:37,620 --> 01:27:34,960
information I mean once it's out of the

1961
01:27:40,770 --> 01:27:37,630
bag it's the damage is done at that

1962
01:27:42,420 --> 01:27:40,780
point I guess and really how much does

1963
01:27:46,020 --> 01:27:42,430
chip know and how much did he share with

1964
01:27:47,820 --> 01:27:46,030
us and there it wasn't that revealing I

1965
01:27:53,130 --> 01:27:47,830
guess he this wasn't one of the closer

1966
01:27:57,180 --> 01:27:53,140
inside people he was fascinating but the

1967
01:27:58,770 --> 01:27:57,190
damage is done what are they gonna do in

1968
01:28:03,720 --> 01:27:58,780
your particular case here

1969
01:28:06,750 --> 01:28:03,730
did anyone associated with Sherman ranch

1970
01:28:12,510 --> 01:28:06,760
or a Bigelow ranch ever contact you and

1971
01:28:14,610 --> 01:28:12,520
say listen this is not cool my the whole

1972
01:28:16,530 --> 01:28:14,620
story about chip is almost as bizarre as

1973
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:16,540
everything else on the ranch if when I

1974
01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:18,250
tell people they're making us think

1975
01:28:22,940 --> 01:28:21,280
that's a more fantastic than again some

1976
01:28:26,580 --> 01:28:22,950
of these individual stories but uh I

1977
01:28:29,100 --> 01:28:26,590
think this might have been around 2007

1978
01:28:33,540 --> 01:28:29,110
is when I met him and I met him he was

1979
01:28:35,010 --> 01:28:33,550
as he told me he was hired by he was one

1980
01:28:39,300 --> 01:28:35,020
of Bigelow's guards and he was hired

1981
01:28:43,860 --> 01:28:39,310
part of his job was to to contact me and

1982
01:28:46,020 --> 01:28:43,870
to try to gain information about where

1983
01:28:49,020 --> 01:28:46,030
I'm gonna be what I'm doing just to

1984
01:28:51,930 --> 01:28:49,030
gather intel on me and through the

1985
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:51,940
course of of us discussing and talking

1986
01:28:57,209 --> 01:28:55,570
over over email somehow I think he

1987
01:28:59,490 --> 01:28:57,219
became a little disenfranchised with

1988
01:29:01,940 --> 01:28:59,500
with his job there working on the ranch

1989
01:29:04,530 --> 01:29:01,950
and also we became friends through

1990
01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:04,540
almost half a year of comm conversating

1991
01:29:10,229 --> 01:29:08,320
back and forth and suddenly uh I told

1992
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:10,239
him at one point I was moving and I was

1993
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:11,890
pretty stressed out by this move up here

1994
01:29:15,209 --> 01:29:13,090
that I had and I had no one to help me

1995
01:29:18,900 --> 01:29:15,219
kind of pack everything I had to be out

1996
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:18,910
in a week I bought a new house and he

1997
01:29:25,530 --> 01:29:22,530
offered to fly up here and help me move

1998
01:29:27,090 --> 01:29:25,540
and I guess I am pretty impulsive this

1999
01:29:29,670 --> 01:29:27,100
is someone I never met and this is also

2000
01:29:31,580 --> 01:29:29,680
someone who Eddie when he was working on

2001
01:29:33,660 --> 01:29:31,590
the ranch I mean had he caught me

2002
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:33,670
trespassing or walking around out there

2003
01:29:37,830 --> 01:29:35,730
and this is someone who would have

2004
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:37,840
messed me up pretty bad that's what he

2005
01:29:42,430 --> 01:29:40,090
was paid to do at a detain you and put

2006
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:42,440
you in the dirt all your way

2007
01:29:48,130 --> 01:29:46,610
um yeah I used my I guess again my

2008
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:48,140
obsession for what's going out there

2009
01:29:51,700 --> 01:29:50,090
took the best of me and I took an

2010
01:29:52,530 --> 01:29:51,710
impulsive gamble and I invited him up

2011
01:29:55,510 --> 01:29:52,540
here

2012
01:29:58,450 --> 01:29:55,520
he we hung out for almost a week

2013
01:30:01,360 --> 01:29:58,460
and I learned learn was pretty good guy

2014
01:30:03,490 --> 01:30:01,370
actually interesting military career and

2015
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:03,500
he had some pretty important jobs that

2016
01:30:07,690 --> 01:30:05,330
he had done in the military which

2017
01:30:10,660 --> 01:30:07,700
impressed me how he how Bigelow hires

2018
01:30:13,450 --> 01:30:10,670
these people with top-secret backgrounds

2019
01:30:17,530 --> 01:30:13,460
and these impressive resumes going into

2020
01:30:19,030 --> 01:30:17,540
it and I guess that's where a friendship

2021
01:30:21,310 --> 01:30:19,040
started and we're still friends to this

2022
01:30:23,770 --> 01:30:21,320
day we're talking about chip the

2023
01:30:26,710 --> 01:30:23,780
whistleblower for the skinwalker ranch

2024
01:30:30,970 --> 01:30:26,720
with gene and Chris talking to Ryan

2025
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2026
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not just an alternative to the

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we are G C n so here's what happened I

2030
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was placing an order online the site

2031
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went down it just stopped responding it

2032
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took hours before it returned but I'd

2033
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already placed the order with another

2034
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company if your site goes down you could

2035
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lose business and if you have a business

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or personal site you'll want to know

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2042
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2043
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2044
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there's the coming of the protectors a

2045
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former military intelligence man is

2046
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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

2047
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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

2048
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because evil forces on our distant

2049
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planet are planning to conquer the earth

2050
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2051
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classic kind attack of the rock ODEs and

2052
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the coming of the protectors

2053
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find out more at rawhides calm that's

2054
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rock oh it's our Ock oids calm this

2055
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2056
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2057
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2059
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2060
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wait any longer with rock-bottom prices

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2062
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2063
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2064
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2065
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2066
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100 for under $30,000

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2069
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2072
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100 foot church building for under sixty

2074
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2110
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2111
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2112
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for sale cough syrup and aspirins and

2119
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2120
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and minerals over that of the toxic

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[Music]

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with gene and Chris the book from Ryan

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scare it's called skinwalker ranch path

2139
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:20,910
of the skinwalker now when you speak of

2140
01:35:26,480 --> 01:35:23,850
path the skinwalker Ryan why that title

2141
01:35:28,700 --> 01:35:26,490
what's the freakish half that we really

2142
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:28,710
want to know about good questions it's a

2143
01:35:33,440 --> 01:35:31,650
little bit of the play on in the hunt

2144
01:35:35,780 --> 01:35:33,450
for skinwalker they think one of the

2145
01:35:37,700 --> 01:35:35,790
local Utes describes the the ranch

2146
01:35:39,380 --> 01:35:37,710
itself as being within the path of the

2147
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:39,390
skinwalker and sounds kind of ominous

2148
01:35:45,140 --> 01:35:41,610
and mysterious now I like that a little

2149
01:35:47,660 --> 01:35:45,150
bit but uh really how that title came

2150
01:35:50,540 --> 01:35:47,670
into fruition was as I was writing I

2151
01:35:52,700 --> 01:35:50,550
realized a lot of my my journeys out

2152
01:35:58,550 --> 01:35:52,710
there I'm walking on what appears to be

2153
01:36:00,710 --> 01:35:58,560
a man-made stone built road or highway

2154
01:36:02,540 --> 01:36:00,720
almost an ancient highway in the middle

2155
01:36:05,060 --> 01:36:02,550
of the desert that leads directly to

2156
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:05,070
that skinwalker Ridge which overlooks

2157
01:36:10,730 --> 01:36:08,370
the ranch and from satellite views and

2158
01:36:12,890 --> 01:36:10,740
and being on the road itself it almost

2159
01:36:14,480 --> 01:36:12,900
looks like these stones are hand placed

2160
01:36:16,370 --> 01:36:14,490
or as if there was a structure there

2161
01:36:18,860 --> 01:36:16,380
that was hundreds if not thousands of

2162
01:36:20,930 --> 01:36:18,870
years ago that was built and I'm walking

2163
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:20,940
down this this road towards the ranch

2164
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:24,290
itself and that that mystery has always

2165
01:36:30,470 --> 01:36:28,170
been used me and intrigued me and

2166
01:36:32,510 --> 01:36:30,480
there's just a lot of structures as if

2167
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:32,520
these columns had been built and spilled

2168
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:35,370
over just the organization of some of

2169
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:37,650
the structures in between in that desert

2170
01:36:43,100 --> 01:36:40,010
surrounding the ranch itself to me is

2171
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:43,110
unique and I've taken some of those

2172
01:36:48,740 --> 01:36:45,810
pictures and even have some video in the

2173
01:36:51,410 --> 01:36:48,750
the eBook version of my book that's why

2174
01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:51,420
I called it the path almost as if it

2175
01:36:54,770 --> 01:36:52,800
makes me wonder if there was something

2176
01:36:56,930 --> 01:36:54,780
that happened in ancient times out there

2177
01:37:00,260 --> 01:36:56,940
that that spawned what we have in front

2178
01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:00,270
of us today some lost tribe or I don't

2179
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:04,250
know we have some questions here that

2180
01:37:09,370 --> 01:37:06,890
duh dovetail nicely at this point in our

2181
01:37:12,910 --> 01:37:09,380
talk with you Ryan this one comes from

2182
01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:12,920
Steve see who's been a longtime post for

2183
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:16,490
three years now at forum dr. Peric ascom

2184
01:37:22,510 --> 01:37:20,570
and he asked is there any truth to the

2185
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:22,520
story about Terry Sherman and his son

2186
01:37:26,290 --> 01:37:25,130
finding an 1880s gold coin on the ranch

2187
01:37:29,110 --> 01:37:26,300
that seemed to be in pristine condition

2188
01:37:31,630 --> 01:37:29,120
and once they picked it up it tarnished

2189
01:37:33,610 --> 01:37:31,640
and aged right before their eyes do you

2190
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:33,620
have any additional information on that

2191
01:37:39,580 --> 01:37:35,570
Terry Sherman actually told me that

2192
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:39,590
story himself so I'm not sure you know

2193
01:37:42,820 --> 01:37:41,570
how to ascertain the truth of that or

2194
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:42,830
not but he he said it in a very

2195
01:37:47,860 --> 01:37:45,650
matter-of-fact way and it was very

2196
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:47,870
believable to me are you familiar with

2197
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:51,650
that particular account and I'll tell

2198
01:37:54,790 --> 01:37:52,970
you Chris I'm like a like a dry sponge

2199
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:54,800
you know just looking for any bit of

2200
01:37:58,090 --> 01:37:56,330
water when it comes to information about

2201
01:38:00,760 --> 01:37:58,100
the ranch I mean any kind of story and I

2202
01:38:02,590 --> 01:38:00,770
just soak it up and retain it and and

2203
01:38:04,330 --> 01:38:02,600
I'll tell you I did I did read that on

2204
01:38:06,430 --> 01:38:04,340
the forum a little bit earlier today and

2205
01:38:09,820 --> 01:38:06,440
I have never heard that story and I'm

2206
01:38:11,470 --> 01:38:09,830
fascinated to learn more about it

2207
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:11,480
that was one of the other why you might

2208
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:13,370
want to talk about the fuel rods is

2209
01:38:17,170 --> 01:38:15,050
another interesting story that you might

2210
01:38:19,690 --> 01:38:17,180
want to discuss that there might be some

2211
01:38:22,510 --> 01:38:19,700
validity to that but what do you know

2212
01:38:28,470 --> 01:38:22,520
about it about which the gold coin the

2213
01:38:31,540 --> 01:38:28,480
gold coin yeah he rattled off a bunch of

2214
01:38:34,450 --> 01:38:31,550
claims and in a very matter-of-fact way

2215
01:38:36,070 --> 01:38:34,460
and you know having interviewed at that

2216
01:38:38,470 --> 01:38:36,080
point identity hundreds and hundreds of

2217
01:38:41,110 --> 01:38:38,480
ranchers before and you kind of get a

2218
01:38:45,190 --> 01:38:41,120
sense when when these guys are you know

2219
01:38:46,690 --> 01:38:45,200
pulling your leg he was he was about as

2220
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:46,700
believable as any person I've ever

2221
01:38:52,420 --> 01:38:49,610
talked to about these types of of claims

2222
01:38:56,310 --> 01:38:52,430
and and that was that was the one that

2223
01:39:00,610 --> 01:38:56,320
that seemed to that seemed to really

2224
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:00,620
amaze him to have he thought when when

2225
01:39:04,750 --> 01:39:02,090
they found that coin he thought it was

2226
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:04,760
brand-new when they were looking at it

2227
01:39:11,140 --> 01:39:07,850
and he had it in the house I didn't ask

2228
01:39:12,850 --> 01:39:11,150
to see it but I didn't ask to see any of

2229
01:39:15,830 --> 01:39:12,860
the of the evidence that he had I never

2230
01:39:17,870 --> 01:39:15,840
asked people on my first visit

2231
01:39:21,050 --> 01:39:17,880
in my first conversation with them I

2232
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:21,060
never asked anything from them I just

2233
01:39:27,490 --> 01:39:23,280
like like you just mentioned I just soak

2234
01:39:29,810 --> 01:39:27,500
up the vibe of the person what

2235
01:39:33,020 --> 01:39:29,820
information they are willing to present

2236
01:39:35,050 --> 01:39:33,030
without being prompted and I thought

2237
01:39:37,730 --> 01:39:35,060
that this was gonna be the first of many

2238
01:39:40,820 --> 01:39:37,740
visits to the ranch it ended up being my

2239
01:39:42,620 --> 01:39:40,830
only visit while he was there and I did

2240
01:39:45,110 --> 01:39:42,630
totally believed him when he told me

2241
01:39:49,420 --> 01:39:45,120
this and did some research and found out

2242
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:49,430
that other people have found similar

2243
01:39:54,140 --> 01:39:52,410
coins and objects that instantly

2244
01:39:55,820 --> 01:39:54,150
tarnished when they picked them up after

2245
01:39:57,980 --> 01:39:55,830
seeing them in what appeared to be a new

2246
01:40:01,430 --> 01:39:57,990
condition in this this is centered

2247
01:40:02,890 --> 01:40:01,440
around north of the area there it at the

2248
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:02,900
southern edge of the Uinta Mountains

2249
01:40:08,300 --> 01:40:05,370
which are the only mountain range in

2250
01:40:10,310 --> 01:40:08,310
North America that run east to west west

2251
01:40:13,550 --> 01:40:10,320
to east all the other mountain ranges

2252
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:13,560
run north to south basically in the

2253
01:40:18,500 --> 01:40:15,570
United States and that's where you found

2254
01:40:22,250 --> 01:40:18,510
the coin you know he found this on the

2255
01:40:25,730 --> 01:40:22,260
ranch on the other other reports have

2256
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:25,740
been filed of people similar reports but

2257
01:40:31,010 --> 01:40:28,560
further north up by the uns another

2258
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:31,020
question from Steve C is where is the

2259
01:40:35,750 --> 01:40:33,210
dark canyon in the in the Uintah Basin

2260
01:40:37,910 --> 01:40:35,760
what significance does it hold to the

2261
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:37,920
paranormal activity at the ranch that's

2262
01:40:42,620 --> 01:40:40,770
a question I'm asked often okay what is

2263
01:40:45,500 --> 01:40:42,630
the question where is it yeah where's

2264
01:40:49,250 --> 01:40:45,510
our knipfing accessible dark canyon is

2265
01:40:52,250 --> 01:40:49,260
north of white rocks it is on sacred

2266
01:40:53,420 --> 01:40:52,260
tribal land I guess if you're not a part

2267
01:40:56,660 --> 01:40:53,430
of the tribe you're not allowed on that

2268
01:40:58,730 --> 01:40:56,670
land you're also not allowed on it's

2269
01:41:00,560 --> 01:40:58,740
gonna Walker ranch or the vicinity

2270
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:00,570
around it or Higgins property you know I

2271
01:41:04,100 --> 01:41:02,370
don't know when I'm looking for

2272
01:41:06,140 --> 01:41:04,110
something that I don't encourage anyone

2273
01:41:08,530 --> 01:41:06,150
else to ever ever ever do what I've done

2274
01:41:11,060 --> 01:41:08,540
I've I've done it at great peril and

2275
01:41:12,770 --> 01:41:11,070
I've run into some problems before with

2276
01:41:14,060 --> 01:41:12,780
the guards and I just again I don't

2277
01:41:16,790 --> 01:41:14,070
recommend people doing what I've done

2278
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:16,800
but dark canyon has always been an

2279
01:41:21,290 --> 01:41:19,050
interest of mine and the location that I

2280
01:41:23,170 --> 01:41:21,300
had to I had to pinpoint and I'd been

2281
01:41:25,490 --> 01:41:23,180
following that one for years and people

2282
01:41:26,660 --> 01:41:25,500
have told me it's to the south I've

2283
01:41:28,610 --> 01:41:26,670
gotten all these different locations I

2284
01:41:29,580 --> 01:41:28,620
finally pinpointed it is to the north of

2285
01:41:32,730 --> 01:41:29,590
white

2286
01:41:34,500 --> 01:41:32,740
it is on tribal land that didn't stop me

2287
01:41:37,820 --> 01:41:34,510
I went up with some other of the local

2288
01:41:43,380 --> 01:41:37,830
Utes as my guide and found the area

2289
01:41:45,300 --> 01:41:43,390
which is 15 to 45 minutes north of again

2290
01:41:48,570 --> 01:41:45,310
white rocks and Ashley Ashley mountain

2291
01:41:51,810 --> 01:41:48,580
range from the Fort Dechaine areas what

2292
01:41:54,510 --> 01:41:51,820
about 40 40 45 miles southwest I believe

2293
01:41:57,540 --> 01:41:54,520
from 40 Oh Shane it would be Northwest

2294
01:41:59,670 --> 01:41:57,550
Northwest okay so it's up towards the

2295
01:42:01,800 --> 01:41:59,680
mountains in and I have a link to it on

2296
01:42:04,740 --> 01:42:01,810
my website right on the map section of

2297
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:04,750
my website skinwalker ranch org right

2298
01:42:08,730 --> 01:42:06,370
which is a very good site by the way if

2299
01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:08,740
any of our listeners want to really get

2300
01:42:13,770 --> 01:42:12,400
up to speed on Ryan's you know reports

2301
01:42:15,270 --> 01:42:13,780
and things that he's been doing this

2302
01:42:16,770 --> 01:42:15,280
site's been up for quite a number of

2303
01:42:19,230 --> 01:42:16,780
years now and there's a lot of

2304
01:42:24,330 --> 01:42:19,240
information on there and it is monitored

2305
01:42:26,970 --> 01:42:24,340
by by the big leaguers as well maybe

2306
01:42:29,550 --> 01:42:26,980
behind some of the hacking let's gone on

2307
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:29,560
off and on over the years here's another

2308
01:42:32,340 --> 01:42:31,330
question from Steve see which I'm very

2309
01:42:34,140 --> 01:42:32,350
but I don't know if I answer this

2310
01:42:36,860 --> 01:42:34,150
question the significance of it I think

2311
01:42:40,230 --> 01:42:36,870
that's a really significance of it yeah

2312
01:42:41,730 --> 01:42:40,240
yeah why the dark canyon why it's also

2313
01:42:43,470 --> 01:42:41,740
kind of been the holy grail for anybody

2314
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:43,480
interested in the skinwalker topic you

2315
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:46,330
know it and and how it got to enjoy that

2316
01:42:49,170 --> 01:42:48,400
prestige is through the book again hunt

2317
01:42:52,110 --> 01:42:49,180
for the skinwalker

2318
01:42:56,010 --> 01:42:52,120
I think call him interviewed know it was

2319
01:42:57,810 --> 01:42:56,020
jr. Hicks who was told supposedly by one

2320
01:43:01,380 --> 01:42:57,820
of the elders one of the Ute elders that

2321
01:43:03,390 --> 01:43:01,390
the lair of the skinwalker is it resides

2322
01:43:05,670 --> 01:43:03,400
in dark Canyon and a cave in dark Canyon

2323
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:05,680
that's that's kind of the Nexus of the

2324
01:43:09,930 --> 01:43:07,570
folk focal point of where all this

2325
01:43:11,970 --> 01:43:09,940
activity is coming from to me I mean

2326
01:43:13,500 --> 01:43:11,980
that just that spoke volumes to me I had

2327
01:43:14,730 --> 01:43:13,510
to find this place you know that all the

2328
01:43:17,430 --> 01:43:14,740
answers are gonna be right in there I

2329
01:43:19,470 --> 01:43:17,440
also wonder before we go on here and we

2330
01:43:21,300 --> 01:43:19,480
have to break for the segment a couple

2331
01:43:23,820 --> 01:43:21,310
of minutes how much of this is a

2332
01:43:26,070 --> 01:43:23,830
self-fulfilling prophecy you get the

2333
01:43:28,260 --> 01:43:26,080
book out and it's kind of like the

2334
01:43:31,410 --> 01:43:28,270
experience some people expect when lots

2335
01:43:34,290 --> 01:43:31,420
of people see UFOs more people see UFOs

2336
01:43:36,210 --> 01:43:34,300
we say the phenomenon is reflective and

2337
01:43:38,850 --> 01:43:36,220
now you got a book that's talking about

2338
01:43:41,580 --> 01:43:38,860
a lot of strange things happening does

2339
01:43:42,450 --> 01:43:41,590
that in and of itself generate more

2340
01:43:44,459 --> 01:43:42,460
experiences

2341
01:43:46,590 --> 01:43:44,469
release convince people that they're

2342
01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:46,600
having some experiences Ryan what do you

2343
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:48,880
think it's it's a matter of uh you're

2344
01:43:52,110 --> 01:43:50,530
looking down at the ground at your daily

2345
01:43:53,790 --> 01:43:52,120
life and your job or you're looking up

2346
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:53,800
in the skies and the mysteries around

2347
01:43:58,950 --> 01:43:56,170
you in it there's this it's rewarding to

2348
01:44:00,570 --> 01:43:58,960
to seek seek out these mysteries you

2349
01:44:03,660 --> 01:44:00,580
know you'll find them under under rocks

2350
01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:03,670
it's been I don't know Derek forests and

2351
01:44:08,459 --> 01:44:06,880
hollow canyons but it's you got to take

2352
01:44:09,570 --> 01:44:08,469
you gotta get off the the computer in

2353
01:44:11,550 --> 01:44:09,580
your chair and you got to look for this

2354
01:44:12,780 --> 01:44:11,560
stuff and it's out there and it it does

2355
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:12,790
become in a way of self-fulfilling

2356
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:15,370
prophecy I guess do we create reality or

2357
01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:18,370
are we a product of it byproduct of it

2358
01:44:24,420 --> 01:44:20,530
yeah the more you dig the more dirty

2359
01:44:27,900 --> 01:44:24,430
uncover absolutely well your weather

2360
01:44:30,930 --> 01:44:27,910
just the mere search is creating those

2361
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:30,940
events or they're already happening and

2362
01:44:34,500 --> 01:44:33,760
because more people are looking they

2363
01:44:37,050 --> 01:44:34,510
find them

2364
01:44:40,290 --> 01:44:37,060
Chris I was gonna ask that third

2365
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:40,300
question that Steve C asked about your

2366
01:44:44,340 --> 01:44:42,370
recent information concerning a ranch in

2367
01:44:46,500 --> 01:44:44,350
Colorado with the same phenomena as

2368
01:44:50,780 --> 01:44:46,510
skinwalker and news to Biglow and John

2369
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:50,790
Alexander are involved there as well

2370
01:44:56,190 --> 01:44:54,010
that's news to me is this anywhere near

2371
01:44:58,530 --> 01:44:56,200
the San Luis Valley where I was or was

2372
01:45:00,240 --> 01:44:58,540
this a different location Ryan let's

2373
01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:00,250
hold that answer to a next segment and

2374
01:45:04,530 --> 01:45:02,170
then we'll have time to go into it in

2375
01:45:06,959 --> 01:45:04,540
detail as we do the final four segments

2376
01:45:09,930 --> 01:45:06,969
of our episode and our visit with Ryan

2377
01:45:13,470 --> 01:45:09,940
Skinner his book is called skinwalker

2378
01:45:15,060 --> 01:45:13,480
ranch path of the skinwalker and before

2379
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:15,070
the end of the show he'll tell you how

2380
01:45:18,540 --> 01:45:16,810
you can get a copy for yourself and find

2381
01:45:20,970 --> 01:45:18,550
out more with gene and Chris you're in

2382
01:45:28,810 --> 01:45:20,980
Liberec West

2383
01:45:34,610 --> 01:45:31,760
free from the shackles of Corporate

2384
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:34,620
America we're the place for independent

2385
01:45:42,470 --> 01:45:40,530
thinkers G C and hi this is Ted Anderson

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live.com hi this is Ted Anderson have

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you ever wondered why banks stockbrokers

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investment advisors won't talk about

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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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here's Jane Steinberg Ryan Skinner

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author of skinwalker ranch path of the

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01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:07,110
skinwalker Chris asked you question

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there you have a response now yeah what

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01:48:13,340 --> 01:48:10,980
what would you like where is it located

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01:48:15,590 --> 01:48:13,350
by first of all yeah where is this

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01:48:17,900 --> 01:48:15,600
located you know yeah I do it's in the

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01:48:20,210 --> 01:48:17,910
Black Forest Black Forest Colorado I

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01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:20,220
have the exact coordinates again on the

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01:48:26,180 --> 01:48:22,560
website somewhere in the forum is this

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01:48:30,110 --> 01:48:26,190
the the ranch that's associated with the

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01:48:32,660 --> 01:48:30,120
1979 Clearview case no that's not and I

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01:48:35,980 --> 01:48:32,670
just recently think I've located that

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01:48:39,880 --> 01:48:35,990
one as well that one is is in uh

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01:48:43,460 --> 01:48:39,890
Elizabeth Colorado just to the south is

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01:48:44,630 --> 01:48:43,470
currently a dump site for the county but

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01:48:47,390 --> 01:48:44,640
what's unique about the dump site it's

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01:48:50,900 --> 01:48:47,400
it's also a decommissioned Atlas one

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01:48:52,850 --> 01:48:50,910
missile silo and based on some of the

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01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:52,860
locals you know they've pinpointed that

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01:48:56,780 --> 01:48:54,210
is the location in the book they're

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01:48:59,180 --> 01:48:56,790
familiar with the character the Evans

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01:49:01,970 --> 01:48:59,190
it's called the Evans ranch which was

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01:49:03,530 --> 01:49:01,980
overlooking that missile silo I'm trying

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01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:03,540
to remember the guys name back in the

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01:49:10,460 --> 01:49:06,810
90s was it Steve Lee that was featured

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01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:10,470
Lee is from Steve amazing Steve Lee is

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01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:12,330
the one with the the haunting the

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01:49:18,500 --> 01:49:16,650
haunted Ranch Inn in Black Forest column

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01:49:20,600 --> 01:49:18,510
so these are two separate ranches in

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01:49:21,100 --> 01:49:20,610
Colorado two very separate ones is what

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01:49:24,410 --> 01:49:21,110
I found

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hmm what but do you know if big loads

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01:49:30,020 --> 01:49:28,530
more events I'm sorry blows there that's

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01:49:31,730 --> 01:49:30,030
what always surprises me is whenever we

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01:49:33,730 --> 01:49:31,740
come across one of these haunted ranches

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01:49:36,920 --> 01:49:33,740
the name Bigelow keeps popping up and

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01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:36,930
and that just recently hit my radar and

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01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:38,010
I think I should some of that

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01:49:43,070 --> 01:49:41,130
information with you Chris is that

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01:49:47,090 --> 01:49:43,080
Bigelow had an interest in acquiring

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01:49:50,120 --> 01:49:47,100
that property the Black Forest haunted

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01:49:52,610 --> 01:49:50,130
ranch which was on the TV show sightings

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01:49:57,380 --> 01:49:52,620
it was recently on fact or faked

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01:49:58,450 --> 01:49:57,390
that was last year that was on just for

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01:50:00,880 --> 01:49:58,460
some of our list

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01:50:03,070 --> 01:50:00,890
we were not aware of where this is we're

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01:50:05,050 --> 01:50:03,080
talking about an area that is north of

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01:50:09,190 --> 01:50:05,060
Colorado Springs on the Front Range of

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01:50:12,190 --> 01:50:09,200
Colorado and just slightly east of the

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Air Force Academy where Air Force

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01:50:15,930 --> 01:50:13,760
officers are trained it's kind of the

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01:50:19,060 --> 01:50:15,940
West Point for the Air Force there and

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01:50:24,480 --> 01:50:19,070
this area has quite a reputation over

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01:50:26,680 --> 01:50:24,490
the years for strange events hauntings

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01:50:30,460 --> 01:50:26,690
unusual varied light light light

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01:50:32,470 --> 01:50:30,470
phenomenon and just to the east of this

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01:50:34,210 --> 01:50:32,480
area is some of the hardest hit areas

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01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:34,220
for cattle mutilations in the history of

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01:50:40,030 --> 01:50:37,730
that particular mystery so just just to

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01:50:44,200 --> 01:50:40,040
keep everybody informed about where were

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01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:44,210
exact actually talking about so you

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01:50:51,430 --> 01:50:46,970
found out that big low is interested in

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01:50:53,950 --> 01:50:51,440
this ranch then he was in talks with the

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01:50:55,510 --> 01:50:53,960
according to an email conversation that

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01:50:57,790 --> 01:50:55,520
I have and I posted that as well on the

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01:51:01,360 --> 01:50:57,800
website he was in the conversation to

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01:51:03,370 --> 01:51:01,370
acquire that property as well and it's a

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01:51:06,250 --> 01:51:03,380
little bizarre is that the owner of the

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01:51:08,260 --> 01:51:06,260
property was almost he almost sounded

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01:51:11,740 --> 01:51:08,270
paranoid he was saying that a Colonel

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01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:11,750
John Alexander was putting some sort of

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01:51:15,670 --> 01:51:13,370
like mental messages in his head and

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01:51:18,340 --> 01:51:15,680
kidnapping his family or communicating

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01:51:20,950 --> 01:51:18,350
to him through his thoughts and he could

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01:51:23,010 --> 01:51:20,960
hear his voice in his head I guess and

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01:51:25,570 --> 01:51:23,020
how did he know it was John Alexander I

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01:51:28,060 --> 01:51:25,580
don't know I and again I just have a

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01:51:32,770 --> 01:51:28,070
little snippet of emailed conversation

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01:51:34,270 --> 01:51:32,780
from 1996 and I'm I think I spoke to you

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01:51:37,390 --> 01:51:34,280
a few days ago we're trying to get a

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01:51:39,100 --> 01:51:37,400
hold of this Gary Hart who would be he

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01:51:41,230 --> 01:51:39,110
was involved in that conversation in

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01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:41,240
that email a conversation okay yeah he

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01:51:45,460 --> 01:51:43,010
didn't mention that part of it but yeah

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01:51:48,580 --> 01:51:45,470
I can put you in touch with Gary Gary is

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01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:48,590
most exact expertise he's real he's very

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01:51:56,770 --> 01:51:51,290
very up to speed and psycho acoustics

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01:52:00,430 --> 01:51:56,780
and and all sorts of interesting stuff

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01:52:02,830 --> 01:52:00,440
involving involving sound he came out to

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01:52:05,890 --> 01:52:02,840
the San Luis Valley in 96 and did a

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01:52:07,630 --> 01:52:05,900
investigation with me and was there when

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01:52:09,640 --> 01:52:07,640
I almost stepped on a 10 foot timber

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01:52:11,089 --> 01:52:09,650
rattler which is probably the most

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01:52:16,430 --> 01:52:11,099
frightened I've ever been in my

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01:52:18,620 --> 01:52:16,440
hey oh my goodness I was getting going

2526
01:52:21,109 --> 01:52:18,630
into panic attacks hours later after

2527
01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:21,119
that one for me I just like to connect

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01:52:25,609 --> 01:52:22,530
the dots and whenever I see the name

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01:52:27,290 --> 01:52:25,619
Bigelow or John Alexander and you know

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01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:27,300
Haunted Ranch it's just you know we're

2531
01:52:32,120 --> 01:52:30,210
how another piece to this mysterious

2532
01:52:34,580 --> 01:52:32,130
puzzle that it's starting to come

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01:52:36,919 --> 01:52:34,590
together yeah for some of our new

2534
01:52:40,970 --> 01:52:36,929
listeners John Alexander was a retired

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01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:40,980
lieutenant colonel from the Army he was

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01:52:46,069 --> 01:52:43,050
in charge after he left the Armed Forces

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01:52:48,050 --> 01:52:46,079
he was in charge of our non-lethal

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01:52:50,839 --> 01:52:48,060
weapons development program at Los

2539
01:52:53,439 --> 01:52:50,849
Alamos National Laboratory he's written

2540
01:52:57,530 --> 01:52:53,449
a number of books which I recommend

2541
01:52:58,850 --> 01:52:57,540
including his most recent book on UFOs

2542
01:53:00,229 --> 01:52:58,860
where he claims that there is no

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01:53:02,930 --> 01:53:00,239
cover-up that the government doesn't

2544
01:53:05,510 --> 01:53:02,940
really know much of anything he never

2545
01:53:06,950 --> 01:53:05,520
mentions the NRO the National

2546
01:53:09,250 --> 01:53:06,960
Reconnaissance Organization which

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01:53:11,870 --> 01:53:09,260
monitors the airspace around the planet

2548
01:53:15,169 --> 01:53:11,880
there's some major holes in his

2549
01:53:17,450 --> 01:53:15,179
rationale and his thinking but having

2550
01:53:19,729 --> 01:53:17,460
met John in talking you know in speaking

2551
01:53:22,240 --> 01:53:19,739
with him I I do actually like the man I

2552
01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:22,250
think he's very engaging very brilliant

2553
01:53:29,660 --> 01:53:25,770
is extremely open-minded is not

2554
01:53:31,970 --> 01:53:29,670
judgmental he does have I think some

2555
01:53:35,569 --> 01:53:31,980
secrets that he is not willing to

2556
01:53:37,399 --> 01:53:35,579
divulge but he's he's very easy to get

2557
01:53:39,530 --> 01:53:37,409
to know and talk to and he's got a great

2558
01:53:41,660 --> 01:53:39,540
sense of humor too he's he's actually

2559
01:53:44,899 --> 01:53:41,670
kind of fun to have dinner with and

2560
01:53:47,740 --> 01:53:44,909
stuff and uh his wife Victoria is also

2561
01:53:50,419 --> 01:53:47,750
quite a interesting character I must say

2562
01:53:53,470 --> 01:53:50,429
let's go on to some some more questions

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01:53:56,300 --> 01:53:53,480
here I have one here from P duchesne

2564
01:54:00,109 --> 01:53:56,310
sounds like there might be a local up

2565
01:54:02,240 --> 01:54:00,119
there near for it to Shane or just they

2566
01:54:05,359 --> 01:54:02,250
picked that name out of a hat I guess or

2567
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:05,369
something you know it's a question that

2568
01:54:12,140 --> 01:54:09,290
many of our open-minded but skeptical

2569
01:54:14,419 --> 01:54:12,150
listeners would like to ask most of our

2570
01:54:16,129 --> 01:54:14,429
guests as he puts it what would be the

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01:54:18,109 --> 01:54:16,139
single most important or convincing

2572
01:54:19,580 --> 01:54:18,119
piece of evidence that you have not an

2573
01:54:23,810 --> 01:54:19,590
anecdote but something we can look at

2574
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:23,820
one of my videos shows the ball of light

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01:54:27,380 --> 01:54:24,690
pulsating

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01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:27,390
on and off and we were there observing

2577
01:54:31,730 --> 01:54:29,610
the ranch and we this is this is a

2578
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:31,740
different story than the wolf story

2579
01:54:36,710 --> 01:54:35,010
shirt and the the balls of lighter by

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01:54:40,390 --> 01:54:36,720
far the most common phenomena that we

2581
01:54:42,830 --> 01:54:40,400
that we typically see at the ranch and

2582
01:54:44,840 --> 01:54:42,840
it was we were able to videotape it that

2583
01:54:47,270 --> 01:54:44,850
night I think I have a few videos

2584
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:47,280
actually showing that again at the end

2585
01:54:50,930 --> 01:54:49,290
of the day I'm fully convinced even the

2586
01:54:51,980 --> 01:54:50,940
clearest video if I was to take it to

2587
01:54:54,500 --> 01:54:51,990
her in the middle of the day with high

2588
01:54:56,240 --> 01:54:54,510
definition I'm still not convinced that

2589
01:54:59,000 --> 01:54:56,250
it that it would be proof enough for

2590
01:55:02,090 --> 01:54:59,010
everyone so yeah well I don't know how

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01:55:03,470 --> 01:55:02,100
to I'm just yeah I'm kind of beating my

2592
01:55:04,670 --> 01:55:03,480
head against a wall in a field that I

2593
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:04,680
don't know if I'll ever be able to

2594
01:55:09,650 --> 01:55:07,530
convince the masses but just to share

2595
01:55:11,990 --> 01:55:09,660
what I've seen with a few people just to

2596
01:55:13,790 --> 01:55:12,000
have a few people believe in it and to

2597
01:55:17,150 --> 01:55:13,800
share that experience with them is all I

2598
01:55:20,210 --> 01:55:17,160
can I guess that's all I can do but but

2599
01:55:21,620 --> 01:55:20,220
that video that video itself to me when

2600
01:55:23,660 --> 01:55:21,630
I look at it I'm able to relive the

2601
01:55:25,850 --> 01:55:23,670
moment remember that and fascinated that

2602
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:25,860
I was able to get it on video yeah there

2603
01:55:32,270 --> 01:55:27,450
have been some videos and photographs

2604
01:55:35,180 --> 01:55:32,280
taken of the area that are you know

2605
01:55:36,980 --> 01:55:35,190
equivocal but but it does suggest that

2606
01:55:40,220 --> 01:55:36,990
there is something real going on there

2607
01:55:43,850 --> 01:55:40,230
this I really have a sense that a lot of

2608
01:55:47,180 --> 01:55:43,860
this activity is happening if not most

2609
01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:47,190
of it and I think it is puzzling some

2610
01:55:50,750 --> 01:55:49,050
some pretty brilliant minds and has been

2611
01:55:54,190 --> 01:55:50,760
puzzling some pretty brilliant minds for

2612
01:55:57,500 --> 01:55:54,200
a number of years here's one from a

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01:56:01,000 --> 01:55:57,510
fairly new member of our forum at forum

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01:56:03,500 --> 01:56:01,010
dr. Peric ascom calls himself oaken wolf

2615
01:56:07,580 --> 01:56:03,510
like the wolf pitcher he's got is his

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01:56:09,740 --> 01:56:07,590
avatar and he asked you think we're

2617
01:56:12,860 --> 01:56:09,750
dealing with multiple entities or these

2618
01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:12,870
illusions by one entity what is your

2619
01:56:18,140 --> 01:56:15,290
kind of gut sense Ryan being up there

2620
01:56:20,450 --> 01:56:18,150
20-plus times what do you think is

2621
01:56:21,980 --> 01:56:20,460
actually behind all this do you think

2622
01:56:24,260 --> 01:56:21,990
it's something paranormal something

2623
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:24,270
ancient do you think it's some psyops

2624
01:56:29,360 --> 01:56:27,050
military thing where do you come down

2625
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:29,370
other investigators that have worked

2626
01:56:35,830 --> 01:56:32,730
with believe that it is psyops military

2627
01:56:38,330 --> 01:56:35,840
and i don't subscribe to that theory

2628
01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:38,340
based on my experiences out there

2629
01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:41,610
I feel that it is ancient that I believe

2630
01:56:45,410 --> 01:56:43,530
it's something ancient it's it's been

2631
01:56:48,290 --> 01:56:45,420
here longer possibly than we've been on

2632
01:56:50,689 --> 01:56:48,300
this earth in that area and something

2633
01:56:52,010 --> 01:56:50,699
spiritual there are so many different

2634
01:56:54,109 --> 01:56:52,020
phenomena and things that occur out

2635
01:56:56,919 --> 01:56:54,119
there but I really feel it's coming from

2636
01:56:59,930 --> 01:56:56,929
one source its dimensional in nature

2637
01:57:02,629 --> 01:56:59,940
it's it's possibly just a place where

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01:57:04,399 --> 01:57:02,639
where reality is thin between our world

2639
01:57:06,770 --> 01:57:04,409
and and some sort of parallel parallel

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01:57:08,990 --> 01:57:06,780
universe that we coexist within and for

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01:57:11,629 --> 01:57:09,000
whatever atmospheric reasons or physics

2642
01:57:13,609 --> 01:57:11,639
reasons that location that actually the

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01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:13,619
the basin itself is is unique in that

2644
01:57:17,899 --> 01:57:16,530
regard okay that says it for now let's

2645
01:57:20,600 --> 01:57:17,909
pick up on this threat of the

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conversation in our next segment and by

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the way you can find us on Twitter where

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we are known as the para cast we have

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Ryan Skinner joining gene and Chris

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you're in the para cast

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assimilated by a skinwalker right now I

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hesitate to say what he's going to look

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like when this comes out if his book

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doesn't get out very quickly here if I

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don't finish what I'm doing for him with

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the page layout I'm gonna be skinwalker

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and all over your SD Ryan Skinner joins

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us Ryan let me just ask you here because

2756
02:02:23,140 --> 02:02:21,020
you're giving us feelings its

2757
02:02:26,770 --> 02:02:23,150
interdimensional it's an ancient

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phenomenon or ancient phenomena it's not

2759
02:02:30,900 --> 02:02:29,270
psyops why do you have these feelings

2760
02:02:33,250 --> 02:02:30,910
because they strike me as subjective

2761
02:02:35,380 --> 02:02:33,260
unless you have some solid evidence to

2762
02:02:38,020 --> 02:02:35,390
point to well I guess I'm kind of ruling

2763
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out the military or a human aspect to it

2764
02:02:43,390 --> 02:02:40,550
as balls of light as humans we don't

2765
02:02:47,770 --> 02:02:43,400
turn into wolves I guess I'm just having

2766
02:02:50,020 --> 02:02:47,780
a hard time I don't believe in magic but

2767
02:02:52,689 --> 02:02:50,030
I do you subscribe to there could be

2768
02:02:54,970 --> 02:02:52,699
other other life-forms out there that

2769
02:02:57,070 --> 02:02:54,980
were just not familiar with whatever

2770
02:02:58,660 --> 02:02:57,080
these things are they appear to they're

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appearing and disappearing and the more

2772
02:03:03,250 --> 02:03:01,070
I read about string theory quantum

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physics and especially anything related

2774
02:03:07,479 --> 02:03:05,570
to a higher dimension as three

2775
02:03:09,689 --> 02:03:07,489
dimensional beings what we would see

2776
02:03:12,670 --> 02:03:09,699
from from our perspective would be these

2777
02:03:13,510 --> 02:03:12,680
blobs of light that would that we would

2778
02:03:15,220 --> 02:03:13,520
only see a three-dimensional

2779
02:03:17,200 --> 02:03:15,230
representation of a four-dimensional

2780
02:03:19,330 --> 02:03:17,210
creature as it slips into our reality

2781
02:03:21,100 --> 02:03:19,340
and then as it slips back out into a

2782
02:03:23,140 --> 02:03:21,110
higher dimension it would appear to

2783
02:03:25,959 --> 02:03:23,150
vanish right in front of us and the

2784
02:03:28,479 --> 02:03:25,969
balls of light fit that as well also a a

2785
02:03:30,490 --> 02:03:28,489
shadow to a four dimensional creature

2786
02:03:32,320 --> 02:03:30,500
would appear as a three-dimensional

2787
02:03:35,260 --> 02:03:32,330
shadow just as if we are three

2788
02:03:36,370 --> 02:03:35,270
dimensional entities you know when you

2789
02:03:40,150 --> 02:03:36,380
look at our shadow it's a two

2790
02:03:41,890 --> 02:03:40,160
dimensional flat representation on the

2791
02:03:43,030 --> 02:03:41,900
ground but to a fourth dimensional

2792
02:03:46,959 --> 02:03:43,040
creature it would be it would have

2793
02:03:50,050 --> 02:03:46,969
substance similar to the that whirlwind

2794
02:03:52,600 --> 02:03:50,060
of black mass that I saw that formed the

2795
02:03:55,090 --> 02:03:52,610
wolf itself so that's why I'm I'm

2796
02:03:58,270 --> 02:03:55,100
leaning towards a dimensional aspect to

2797
02:03:59,979 --> 02:03:58,280
this I think even Kelleher and Colm hint

2798
02:04:02,739 --> 02:03:59,989
to that especially with the the

2799
02:04:05,200 --> 02:04:02,749
the scientist on their team most of them

2800
02:04:08,069 --> 02:04:05,210
are theoretical physicists and and I

2801
02:04:10,930 --> 02:04:08,079
think it's helped plaintiff especially

2802
02:04:13,629 --> 02:04:10,940
discusses ad nauseam

2803
02:04:17,080 --> 02:04:13,639
he's pretty familiar with both quantum

2804
02:04:18,939 --> 02:04:17,090
physics and dimensional aspects to that

2805
02:04:22,149 --> 02:04:18,949
so if you look at the characters on the

2806
02:04:24,729 --> 02:04:22,159
Bigelow team it encourages me to believe

2807
02:04:26,470 --> 02:04:24,739
this has a dimensional rationale to it

2808
02:04:31,239 --> 02:04:26,480
well the one thing I can see here is

2809
02:04:33,910 --> 02:04:31,249
that Bigelow has government contacts if

2810
02:04:37,540 --> 02:04:33,920
this was a PSYOP operation when they

2811
02:04:39,069 --> 02:04:37,550
quietly say hey lay off this is not

2812
02:04:41,290 --> 02:04:39,079
really anything you need to get involved

2813
02:04:42,669 --> 02:04:41,300
in yeah well yeah why would these rumors

2814
02:04:44,589 --> 02:04:42,679
swirl that that they're working together

2815
02:04:45,910 --> 02:04:44,599
that they're contracted with Bigelow to

2816
02:04:47,910 --> 02:04:45,920
study what's going on out there why

2817
02:04:50,129 --> 02:04:47,920
would they be studying themselves or

2818
02:04:52,149 --> 02:04:50,139
what is the purpose of even having

2819
02:04:54,250 --> 02:04:52,159
whatever was happening out there was

2820
02:04:57,310 --> 02:04:54,260
occurring before Terry Sherman before

2821
02:04:59,319 --> 02:04:57,320
Bigelow before the Sherman's the Meyers

2822
02:05:00,640 --> 02:04:59,329
were from what I understand the original

2823
02:05:06,040 --> 02:05:00,650
family out there and this was happening

2824
02:05:07,569 --> 02:05:06,050
to them in the 60s and earlier so it's

2825
02:05:10,270 --> 02:05:07,579
just I'm having a hard time believing

2826
02:05:12,609 --> 02:05:10,280
the government conspiracy angle of it

2827
02:05:16,870 --> 02:05:12,619
well that raises a point here and this

2828
02:05:19,089 --> 02:05:16,880
is a another question by Steve C and he

2829
02:05:22,810 --> 02:05:19,099
points out the Frank Salisbury commented

2830
02:05:25,029 --> 02:05:22,820
in a new edition of his book the great

2831
02:05:26,859 --> 02:05:25,039
the great Utah UFO display which he

2832
02:05:29,529 --> 02:05:26,869
released about three or four years ago

2833
02:05:32,680 --> 02:05:29,539
and he says that he talked to the

2834
02:05:34,479 --> 02:05:32,690
previous residents the Myers and they

2835
02:05:35,950 --> 02:05:34,489
said that there were not any incidents

2836
02:05:37,450 --> 02:05:35,960
at all their ranch for the 50 years that

2837
02:05:38,890 --> 02:05:37,460
they lived there and then it is not the

2838
02:05:42,549 --> 02:05:38,900
center of paranormal activity in the

2839
02:05:44,169 --> 02:05:42,559
Uintah Basin I argued that is the one I

2840
02:05:46,750 --> 02:05:44,179
like I like Frank and I've talked to

2841
02:05:48,609 --> 02:05:46,760
Frank before but that one part of his

2842
02:05:50,140 --> 02:05:48,619
story I just I have a real big problem

2843
02:05:52,419 --> 02:05:50,150
with because I've talked to the

2844
02:05:53,890 --> 02:05:52,429
neighbors that knew the Myers and they

2845
02:05:55,899 --> 02:05:53,900
said that that's not true what Frank

2846
02:05:58,450 --> 02:05:55,909
said Frank came in there with an agenda

2847
02:06:00,220 --> 02:05:58,460
and he wanted to dispel the belief that

2848
02:06:02,350 --> 02:06:00,230
there that's what they told me that's

2849
02:06:03,850 --> 02:06:02,360
what two of the neighbors told me that

2850
02:06:07,450 --> 02:06:03,860
when they were interviewed by Frank that

2851
02:06:09,549 --> 02:06:07,460
he was coaxing them into or that here he

2852
02:06:12,430 --> 02:06:09,559
came in with a biased on that topic

2853
02:06:13,850 --> 02:06:12,440
based on my conversations with two of

2854
02:06:16,490 --> 02:06:13,860
the neighbors the Garcias

2855
02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:16,500
and there's also at another Meijer they

2856
02:06:19,700 --> 02:06:18,090
said that they were on the ranch when

2857
02:06:21,439 --> 02:06:19,710
and they knew the previous owners and

2858
02:06:23,120 --> 02:06:21,449
that the previous owners would huddle

2859
02:06:25,250 --> 02:06:23,130
together in the family room for

2860
02:06:26,780 --> 02:06:25,260
protection as these golf ball sized

2861
02:06:29,359 --> 02:06:26,790
balls of light would fly through the

2862
02:06:32,419 --> 02:06:29,369
house scaring the bejesus out of the

2863
02:06:35,629 --> 02:06:32,429
family and they would even padlock all

2864
02:06:38,300 --> 02:06:35,639
their their their dresser drawers and

2865
02:06:40,310 --> 02:06:38,310
there and all the different drawers

2866
02:06:42,890 --> 02:06:40,320
because they would fly open with

2867
02:06:44,419 --> 02:06:42,900
poltergeists like activity that they

2868
02:06:45,620 --> 02:06:44,429
were just terrified that this family was

2869
02:06:48,500 --> 02:06:45,630
terrified by something that was

2870
02:06:49,959 --> 02:06:48,510
occurring there well David Perkins who

2871
02:06:53,300 --> 02:06:49,969
was the last person to actually

2872
02:06:55,220 --> 02:06:53,310
officially interview Terry Sherman but

2873
02:06:56,689 --> 02:06:55,230
just days before he signed a

2874
02:06:58,879 --> 02:06:56,699
nondisclosure agreement and started

2875
02:07:01,520 --> 02:06:58,889
working for Bigelow his article is

2876
02:07:03,260 --> 02:07:01,530
called a ranch from hell I quickly

2877
02:07:05,270 --> 02:07:03,270
recommended it's got some pretty bizarre

2878
02:07:06,830 --> 02:07:05,280
stuff in there but one of the things he

2879
02:07:09,680 --> 02:07:06,840
pointed out was very interesting that

2880
02:07:11,570 --> 02:07:09,690
when you go into the ranch house there

2881
02:07:14,120 --> 02:07:11,580
are locks and all the doors and the

2882
02:07:16,010 --> 02:07:14,130
locks are on the inside and as you as

2883
02:07:18,350 --> 02:07:16,020
you progress into the house they all

2884
02:07:20,689 --> 02:07:18,360
lead to a hallway in the middle of the

2885
02:07:24,350 --> 02:07:20,699
house which can be locked from both ends

2886
02:07:26,780 --> 02:07:24,360
and then if you open the closet door and

2887
02:07:32,330 --> 02:07:26,790
get in there's a lock inside the closet

2888
02:07:35,990 --> 02:07:32,340
so that you could lock yourself now

2889
02:07:39,379 --> 02:07:36,000
there's something wrong there obviously

2890
02:07:42,700 --> 02:07:39,389
and I just have a hard time believing

2891
02:07:45,580 --> 02:07:42,710
that someone would just do that as a

2892
02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:45,590
some sort of a panic room or something

2893
02:07:50,060 --> 02:07:48,570
unless they really had reason to be in a

2894
02:07:52,189 --> 02:07:50,070
place of fear let's put it that way

2895
02:07:54,320 --> 02:07:52,199
those were the stories conveyed to me

2896
02:07:58,390 --> 02:07:54,330
and these were people that had worked on

2897
02:08:02,359 --> 02:07:58,400
the ranch before the Sherman's bought it

2898
02:08:04,070 --> 02:08:02,369
what about the thing that Kelleher and

2899
02:08:05,810 --> 02:08:04,080
Knapp point out that any time Terry

2900
02:08:09,620 --> 02:08:05,820
started digging on the ranch and

2901
02:08:11,479 --> 02:08:09,630
disturbing the actual ground that he

2902
02:08:13,760 --> 02:08:11,489
seemed to think that that would stir up

2903
02:08:16,760 --> 02:08:13,770
activity and things would start to

2904
02:08:20,149 --> 02:08:16,770
happen almost as a reaction to to

2905
02:08:21,680 --> 02:08:20,159
digging on the property see some of

2906
02:08:24,200 --> 02:08:21,690
these rumors have substance and others

2907
02:08:26,780 --> 02:08:24,210
and others don't you know it's such a

2908
02:08:27,649 --> 02:08:26,790
fascinating field that story always

2909
02:08:28,699 --> 02:08:27,659
intrigued me as

2910
02:08:30,439 --> 02:08:28,709
well you know is there some sort of

2911
02:08:31,909 --> 02:08:30,449
underground base and that's why they're

2912
02:08:35,419 --> 02:08:31,919
not a lot of dig or is there alien

2913
02:08:38,179 --> 02:08:35,429
artifacts there there's a more mundane

2914
02:08:39,949 --> 02:08:38,189
answer to that question and it's this is

2915
02:08:42,500 --> 02:08:39,959
also from talking to the neighbors and

2916
02:08:44,419 --> 02:08:42,510
people that had had been caretakers on

2917
02:08:46,699 --> 02:08:44,429
the ranch before the Sherman's and what

2918
02:08:47,689 --> 02:08:46,709
they told me is that the I don't so it

2919
02:08:53,689 --> 02:08:47,699
was the Meyers

2920
02:08:56,540 --> 02:08:53,699
their grandchild or some child was

2921
02:08:58,129 --> 02:08:56,550
buried on the ranch you know back then I

2922
02:09:00,439 --> 02:08:58,139
guess it was commonplace that he would

2923
02:09:01,969 --> 02:09:00,449
bury your children or a loved one on

2924
02:09:06,790 --> 02:09:01,979
your own property instead of at a

2925
02:09:08,959 --> 02:09:06,800
cemetery and that area of the ranch

2926
02:09:10,129 --> 02:09:08,969
that's exactly why they told the

2927
02:09:13,489 --> 02:09:10,139
Sherman's that they weren't allowed to

2928
02:09:14,989 --> 02:09:13,499
dig that a quadrant of the ranch at all

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because they didn't want to dig up one

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of their relatives or have one of the

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relatives dig dug dug up one day yeah

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isn't that it be rough oh my god there's

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Grandpa Joe oops

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that would be terrible stories the

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stories that on the ridge line a lot of

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the Utes uh there's some buried Indians

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I guess on the ridge lines graveyard T

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well let's get to another question this

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again is from oaken wolf and he asked

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you you feel like something is there

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that's being heavily guarded for one

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reason or another and that's why the

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activity that you have experienced in

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others is manifesting so some sort of

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reason to guard something there and if

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so what do you think it is

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hold that answer Ryan and we'll pick up

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on it in our next segment okay the book

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again is skinwalker ranch path of the

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[Music]

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hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

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listening to the para cast

3060
02:15:05,750 --> 02:15:01,429
so questions from our listeners at forum

3061
02:15:07,909 --> 02:15:05,760
top the para cast comm asking various

3062
02:15:10,339 --> 02:15:07,919
things if Ryan Skinner so Ryan you have

3063
02:15:12,489 --> 02:15:10,349
the question in our last segment what's

3064
02:15:15,949 --> 02:15:12,499
the answer it's another good question I

3065
02:15:17,839 --> 02:15:15,959
have a from speaking with chip and from

3066
02:15:19,839 --> 02:15:17,849
speaking with others out there it's a

3067
02:15:22,549 --> 02:15:19,849
common question that I ask quite a bit

3068
02:15:26,390 --> 02:15:22,559
you had to get a kind of vague answers

3069
02:15:28,759 --> 02:15:26,400
to the one answer I've heard which I

3070
02:15:29,839 --> 02:15:28,769
think is to leave me off the wrong track

3071
02:15:32,509 --> 02:15:29,849
is that they're actually trying to

3072
02:15:34,250 --> 02:15:32,519
protect the the people going onto the

3073
02:15:36,259 --> 02:15:34,260
ranch from getting hurt so that Bigelow

3074
02:15:37,909 --> 02:15:36,269
and company are sued by some sort of

3075
02:15:40,310 --> 02:15:37,919
lawsuit of someone you know it's some

3076
02:15:42,409 --> 02:15:40,320
silly investigator falling off like in

3077
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my case flying off the cliff and suing

3078
02:15:50,359 --> 02:15:45,619
Bigelow or or possibly from the

3079
02:15:51,229 --> 02:15:50,369
phenomena itself from harming someone of

3080
02:15:53,810 --> 02:15:51,239
the people out there one of these

3081
02:15:57,109 --> 02:15:53,820
curious by standards you know the this

3082
02:16:00,379 --> 02:15:57,119
isn't whatever is out there is very real

3083
02:16:02,600 --> 02:16:00,389
and we don't know its intentions but if

3084
02:16:04,089 --> 02:16:02,610
I if I read between the lines and from

3085
02:16:07,819 --> 02:16:04,099
what I've heard quite a bit is that

3086
02:16:10,580 --> 02:16:07,829
there is another intelligence out there

3087
02:16:13,069 --> 02:16:10,590
the guards are aware of it as are the

3088
02:16:15,919 --> 02:16:13,079
researchers I don't know if they fully

3089
02:16:18,020 --> 02:16:15,929
understand what it is 100% but it has a

3090
02:16:20,029 --> 02:16:18,030
job to do out there and whatever it's

3091
02:16:22,250 --> 02:16:20,039
doing out there they don't want to have

3092
02:16:24,529 --> 02:16:22,260
it disturbed I think I think there's a

3093
02:16:26,929 --> 02:16:24,539
fear a fear that if too many prying eyes

3094
02:16:29,120 --> 02:16:26,939
start meddling out there that whatever

3095
02:16:31,269 --> 02:16:29,130
whatever is happening will move on to

3096
02:16:34,070 --> 02:16:31,279
another location

3097
02:16:37,189 --> 02:16:34,080
well that would actually be probably a

3098
02:16:38,299 --> 02:16:37,199
good thing in light of some of the rules

3099
02:16:41,059 --> 02:16:38,309
that have surfaced over the years

3100
02:16:44,479 --> 02:16:41,069
including the rumor of it was first

3101
02:16:48,979 --> 02:16:44,489
reported by Jack Sarfati back in 2002 I

3102
02:16:53,629 --> 02:16:48,989
believe of of actual deaths occurring to

3103
02:16:55,910 --> 02:16:53,639
personnel stationed out at the ranch he

3104
02:16:59,780 --> 02:16:55,920
tried his darndest and I did as well

3105
02:17:02,059 --> 02:16:59,790
after being inadvertently told of SAR

3106
02:17:05,150 --> 02:17:02,069
Fatty's interest in this particular

3107
02:17:08,030 --> 02:17:05,160
rumor Jack Sarfati is a theoretical

3108
02:17:10,280 --> 02:17:08,040
physicist is quite well known in kind of

3109
02:17:13,229 --> 02:17:10,290
esoteric defense

3110
02:17:17,129 --> 02:17:13,239
scientific circles he's quite a wild

3111
02:17:18,479 --> 02:17:17,139
character in many ways I've tried to get

3112
02:17:20,669 --> 02:17:18,489
him on the show a number of times to

3113
02:17:23,580 --> 02:17:20,679
talk to him but he always has an excuse

3114
02:17:25,349 --> 02:17:23,590
but Sarfati mentioned that there were

3115
02:17:26,990 --> 02:17:25,359
one possibly two deaths out there and

3116
02:17:30,900 --> 02:17:27,000
the word mutilation was banded about

3117
02:17:36,000 --> 02:17:30,910
since then we've broached the subject I

3118
02:17:39,719 --> 02:17:36,010
think in our first go-around but this is

3119
02:17:42,929 --> 02:17:39,729
a rumor that refuses to to go away and

3120
02:17:46,110 --> 02:17:42,939
every time it comes up people involved

3121
02:17:50,219 --> 02:17:46,120
in this particular case almost go

3122
02:17:52,559 --> 02:17:50,229
apoplectic in backpedaling in denial

3123
02:17:54,389 --> 02:17:52,569
did anything like this ever happened or

3124
02:17:56,790 --> 02:17:54,399
how could you possibly cover something

3125
02:17:58,650 --> 02:17:56,800
like that up of people actually being

3126
02:18:00,030 --> 02:17:58,660
killed out there well where do you come

3127
02:18:02,400 --> 02:18:00,040
down in this Ryan you and I have talked

3128
02:18:05,150 --> 02:18:02,410
about this from time to time what's your

3129
02:18:09,959 --> 02:18:05,160
latest thinking on the rumor that

3130
02:18:11,580 --> 02:18:09,969
possibly during the summer of 1999 one

3131
02:18:13,410 --> 02:18:11,590
or more deaths occurred out there I

3132
02:18:15,870 --> 02:18:13,420
think there's something to the rumor I

3133
02:18:19,129 --> 02:18:15,880
don't know at this point 100% what that

3134
02:18:21,240 --> 02:18:19,139
something is again it still is a rumor

3135
02:18:23,549 --> 02:18:21,250
recent information was shared with me

3136
02:18:27,030 --> 02:18:23,559
that I don't know how reliable the

3137
02:18:30,240 --> 02:18:27,040
sources but but the story I was told is

3138
02:18:31,620 --> 02:18:30,250
that whatever these entities are that

3139
02:18:33,689 --> 02:18:31,630
they do have this portal technology

3140
02:18:36,450 --> 02:18:33,699
that's that's how they kind of slip into

3141
02:18:37,650 --> 02:18:36,460
our world for whatever reason I think

3142
02:18:40,259 --> 02:18:37,660
has something to do with the power lines

3143
02:18:42,299 --> 02:18:40,269
or something to do with the geomagnetism

3144
02:18:44,700 --> 02:18:42,309
or whatever at the ranch their

3145
02:18:46,919 --> 02:18:44,710
technology doesn't work 100% as it

3146
02:18:49,019 --> 02:18:46,929
should and as a result in this one

3147
02:18:51,389 --> 02:18:49,029
particular case this portal was opened

3148
02:18:53,759 --> 02:18:51,399
and it was opened instead of on the

3149
02:18:55,620 --> 02:18:53,769
ground for these entities to spill out

3150
02:18:57,929 --> 02:18:55,630
and do whatever they they do out there

3151
02:19:01,049 --> 02:18:57,939
this was opened directly above the heads

3152
02:19:04,679 --> 02:19:01,059
of one of the guards and this creature

3153
02:19:07,830 --> 02:19:04,689
is I don't know tall bulky creature fell

3154
02:19:09,570 --> 02:19:07,840
out of it onto the ground and that was I

3155
02:19:11,729 --> 02:19:09,580
guess some sort of mistake and there -

3156
02:19:13,259 --> 02:19:11,739
whoever they are they're technology so

3157
02:19:14,969 --> 02:19:13,269
as it falls out it almost falls into the

3158
02:19:18,959 --> 02:19:14,979
lap of one of the guards these guards

3159
02:19:20,849 --> 02:19:18,969
again are these EXA ex-military trained

3160
02:19:23,580 --> 02:19:20,859
trained people who have seen action

3161
02:19:25,889 --> 02:19:23,590
overseas and and

3162
02:19:27,419 --> 02:19:25,899
I mean was beyond startled at that point

3163
02:19:29,309 --> 02:19:27,429
it's already a pretty scary place being

3164
02:19:31,259 --> 02:19:29,319
out there and then when this thing falls

3165
02:19:33,059 --> 02:19:31,269
out on top of you and you're told oh

3166
02:19:34,950 --> 02:19:33,069
you're told to look out for these things

3167
02:19:37,290 --> 02:19:34,960
out here in de to record them and it

3168
02:19:40,109 --> 02:19:37,300
falls on top of your lap I guess his

3169
02:19:41,549 --> 02:19:40,119
reaction was one of panic and he must

3170
02:19:43,139 --> 02:19:41,559
have reverted to his military training

3171
02:19:44,660 --> 02:19:43,149
and this is a story that was told to me

3172
02:19:47,939 --> 02:19:44,670
I'm not saying it's true I don't know

3173
02:19:50,130 --> 02:19:47,949
but I guess he opened fire on the the

3174
02:19:53,010 --> 02:19:50,140
entity and as a result was was killed by

3175
02:19:55,319 --> 02:19:53,020
it and oh man now be the end of a bad

3176
02:19:57,750 --> 02:19:55,329
day boy and the whole thing was kind of

3177
02:20:00,210 --> 02:19:57,760
over I guess a misunderstanding and a

3178
02:20:03,000 --> 02:20:00,220
miscalculation on their part this wasn't

3179
02:20:05,069 --> 02:20:03,010
even supposed to happen with it falling

3180
02:20:06,809 --> 02:20:05,079
on him well yeah I think that's a that's

3181
02:20:09,599 --> 02:20:06,819
a good point that you bring up that the

3182
02:20:11,130 --> 02:20:09,609
the whatever these this energy or

3183
02:20:13,109 --> 02:20:11,140
entities or whatever you want to call

3184
02:20:15,990 --> 02:20:13,119
them tag you want to put on them they

3185
02:20:18,660 --> 02:20:16,000
aren't in complete control Terry he told

3186
02:20:20,910 --> 02:20:18,670
me a story that blew my mind he said

3187
02:20:22,439 --> 02:20:20,920
that one of the portals opened up right

3188
02:20:24,359 --> 02:20:22,449
out in front of the ranch house and this

3189
02:20:26,160 --> 02:20:24,369
you know he's seen this a number of

3190
02:20:28,080 --> 02:20:26,170
times and these these triangular craft

3191
02:20:29,550 --> 02:20:28,090
would kind of float through very slowly

3192
02:20:31,800 --> 02:20:29,560
and then the portal would close and the

3193
02:20:34,920 --> 02:20:31,810
craft would fly off we said they must

3194
02:20:36,630 --> 02:20:34,930
had a rookie pilot because I think was

3195
02:20:38,639 --> 02:20:36,640
the last time that he had seen one of

3196
02:20:41,460 --> 02:20:38,649
these portals it opened up it's about a

3197
02:20:44,519 --> 02:20:41,470
hundred feet up and one of these craft

3198
02:20:46,319 --> 02:20:44,529
came shooting through and took off it

3199
02:20:48,960 --> 02:20:46,329
sheared off the tops of his cottonwood

3200
02:20:50,670 --> 02:20:48,970
trees which were really tall trees and

3201
02:20:52,859 --> 02:20:50,680
he said see all those branches over

3202
02:20:55,109 --> 02:20:52,869
there it sheared off the tops of that

3203
02:20:56,760 --> 02:20:55,119
tree and sure enough there was these you

3204
02:20:58,530 --> 02:20:56,770
know dead branches on the ground there

3205
02:21:01,109 --> 02:20:58,540
below the tree that and I looked up and

3206
02:21:03,569 --> 02:21:01,119
there there was a nice neat sort of

3207
02:21:06,179 --> 02:21:03,579
slash at the top of the trees there that

3208
02:21:07,500 --> 02:21:06,189
had been sheared off now for him to

3209
02:21:11,460 --> 02:21:07,510
climb up there and do that and then

3210
02:21:14,939 --> 02:21:11,470
claim that some UFO had done it I think

3211
02:21:17,010 --> 02:21:14,949
is highly improbable so he thought that

3212
02:21:19,069 --> 02:21:17,020
the person that was piloting this or the

3213
02:21:22,260 --> 02:21:19,079
entity or whatever you want to call it

3214
02:21:24,030 --> 02:21:22,270
violated their normal standard operating

3215
02:21:26,550 --> 02:21:24,040
procedure instead of floating through he

3216
02:21:28,439 --> 02:21:26,560
came shooting through and he said they

3217
02:21:30,840 --> 02:21:28,449
must not have had brakes was so thick

3218
02:21:33,210 --> 02:21:30,850
cause it it sheared off the tops of my

3219
02:21:36,881 --> 02:21:33,220
trees now who would come up with a story

3220
02:21:38,890 --> 02:21:36,891
like that I mean to me it just

3221
02:21:41,171 --> 02:21:38,900
it's it's pretty mind-boggling actually

3222
02:21:43,301 --> 02:21:41,181
when you start cross-referencing a lot

3223
02:21:45,761 --> 02:21:43,311
of these accounts that have cropped up

3224
02:21:47,770 --> 02:21:45,771
over the years speak across referencing

3225
02:21:49,331 --> 02:21:47,780
the UH I spoke with Junior Hicks

3226
02:21:51,070 --> 02:21:49,341
actually I think it might have been

3227
02:21:53,650 --> 02:21:51,080
three or four years ago I had a meeting

3228
02:21:55,511 --> 02:21:53,660
with him and he told me when he sat down

3229
02:21:58,541 --> 02:21:55,521
and talked to Bigelow that Bigelow told

3230
02:22:00,280 --> 02:21:58,551
him that these these entities do have a

3231
02:22:01,780 --> 02:22:00,290
problem with their somehow with their

3232
02:22:03,640 --> 02:22:01,790
coordinates around the ranch and how

3233
02:22:07,390 --> 02:22:03,650
they phase in I think it's a term that

3234
02:22:09,671 --> 02:22:07,400
he used and as a result that some of

3235
02:22:11,620 --> 02:22:09,681
them might appear over not directly over

3236
02:22:13,961 --> 02:22:11,630
the ranch but over bottle hollow or

3237
02:22:15,940 --> 02:22:13,971
other parts of Ford duchesne and then

3238
02:22:19,001 --> 02:22:15,950
they kind of meet me and me and ER their

3239
02:22:23,051 --> 02:22:19,011
way over to the ranch so they're not

3240
02:22:25,470 --> 02:22:23,061
there technology or however they move

3241
02:22:27,940 --> 02:22:25,480
it's not infallible they are

3242
02:22:31,150 --> 02:22:27,950
yes something unique about the area even

3243
02:22:35,530 --> 02:22:31,160
to them possible it must be some sort of

3244
02:22:36,791 --> 02:22:35,540
variable in the flux capacitor oh yes we

3245
02:22:41,711 --> 02:22:36,801
gotta watch out for those flux

3246
02:22:45,551 --> 02:22:41,721
capacitors they're taking over well

3247
02:22:51,341 --> 02:22:45,561
that's that that's the DeLorean in Back

3248
02:22:54,850 --> 02:22:51,351
to the Future yeah we all forget what

3249
02:22:59,740 --> 02:22:54,860
happened to the real DeLorean that

3250
02:23:01,660 --> 02:22:59,750
killed his car company oh he was

3251
02:23:06,220 --> 02:23:01,670
arrested for cocaine or something

3252
02:23:07,211 --> 02:23:06,230
mm-hmm I forget that was unfortunate but

3253
02:23:10,410 --> 02:23:07,221
it's another story we don't care about

3254
02:23:13,570 --> 02:23:10,420
at this well I had a question

3255
02:23:15,610 --> 02:23:13,580
you're allowed what a crisp what do you

3256
02:23:18,671 --> 02:23:15,620
know about the fuel rods that were found

3257
02:23:21,791 --> 02:23:18,681
on the ranch I guess I think Terry or

3258
02:23:23,350 --> 02:23:21,801
jr. found these fuel rods and turned him

3259
02:23:25,301 --> 02:23:23,360
over to Bigelow I don't know if you've

3260
02:23:27,461 --> 02:23:25,311
heard that that rumor or story I've

3261
02:23:30,881 --> 02:23:27,471
never I've never heard them referred to

3262
02:23:32,410 --> 02:23:30,891
as fuel rods they appeared Roth I think

3263
02:23:38,940 --> 02:23:32,420
actually one of them was found on a

3264
02:23:45,190 --> 02:23:43,270
I've inquired about that and one version

3265
02:23:48,190 --> 02:23:45,200
of it is it was just an old tractor part

3266
02:23:50,170 --> 02:23:48,200
another version is well they took it and

3267
02:23:51,340 --> 02:23:50,180
tested it and we don't know

3268
02:23:55,990 --> 02:23:51,350
what they what they were able to

3269
02:23:59,110 --> 02:23:56,000
determine I haven't heard of multiple

3270
02:24:00,309 --> 02:23:59,120
objects being found just that one is

3271
02:24:01,450 --> 02:24:00,319
that was that what you're referring to

3272
02:24:02,800 --> 02:24:01,460
I've never heard it referred to as a

3273
02:24:04,840 --> 02:24:02,810
fuel rod so I'm not sure if we're

3274
02:24:06,490 --> 02:24:04,850
talking about the sound thing and we'll

3275
02:24:08,920 --> 02:24:06,500
have to get the answer to the question

3276
02:24:11,080 --> 02:24:08,930
of the fuel rods whether that's a valid

3277
02:24:12,849 --> 02:24:11,090
way to describe them we have Ryan

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Skinner the book is skinwalker ranch

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path the skinwalker in our final segment

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he'll tell you how to get a copy with

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gene and Kris you're in the burkas

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it was a critically acclaimed success

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and now there's the coming of the

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intelligence man is contacted by a space

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woman in a dream a dream that turns out

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to be a nightmare because evil forces on

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our distant planet are planning to

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conquer the earth

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classic kind attack of the rock ODEs and

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the coming of the protectors find out

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skinwalkers rods what's gonna come up

3394
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next with gene and Chris Ryan Skinner

3395
02:29:14,160 --> 02:29:12,040
you have a response to Chris's comment

3396
02:29:15,810 --> 02:29:14,170
in the previous segment my memory is a

3397
02:29:17,820 --> 02:29:15,820
little shaky about the topic but I did

3398
02:29:20,340 --> 02:29:17,830
bring it up to junior and I thought it

3399
02:29:22,500 --> 02:29:20,350
was junior him I can't remember do you

3400
02:29:24,511 --> 02:29:22,510
do you remember who found the rods was

3401
02:29:27,990 --> 02:29:24,521
it junior that found the rods or was it

3402
02:29:31,770 --> 02:29:28,000
Terry I I thought it was tehrani but

3403
02:29:33,120 --> 02:29:31,780
junior was he thought I was that's what

3404
02:29:34,830 --> 02:29:33,130
it was that's exact now he'll remember

3405
02:29:37,770 --> 02:29:34,840
it yeah Terry found it and I think he

3406
02:29:39,840 --> 02:29:37,780
turned it over to junior and Bigelow

3407
02:29:42,600 --> 02:29:39,850
ended up with it and they just gave it

3408
02:29:44,520 --> 02:29:42,610
to Bigelow yeah and of course we never

3409
02:29:46,440 --> 02:29:44,530
never see the results of that testing

3410
02:29:48,390 --> 02:29:46,450
process now whatever but what was

3411
02:29:49,830 --> 02:29:48,400
interesting from speaking with with

3412
02:29:52,500 --> 02:29:49,840
junior was that he said he brought it

3413
02:29:54,301 --> 02:29:52,510
back to his workshop and you ain't tried

3414
02:29:55,440 --> 02:29:54,311
chiseling yeah he tried breaking it or

3415
02:29:57,480 --> 02:29:55,450
breaking off a little piece there's

3416
02:30:01,020 --> 02:29:57,490
nothing he could do to what a dangerous

3417
02:30:04,740 --> 02:30:01,030
scratch into into whatever this this

3418
02:30:06,960 --> 02:30:04,750
object was and but he did put some sort

3419
02:30:09,570 --> 02:30:06,970
of battery tester on each end and I

3420
02:30:11,730 --> 02:30:09,580
guess the amount of it was giving off an

3421
02:30:15,690 --> 02:30:11,740
electric charge and that kind of

3422
02:30:18,990 --> 02:30:15,700
fascinated him so he he took a butane

3423
02:30:21,360 --> 02:30:19,000
again my memory is a little shaky on

3424
02:30:24,060 --> 02:30:21,370
this but I think he took a butane torch

3425
02:30:26,430 --> 02:30:24,070
onto the onto the rod to see if he could

3426
02:30:28,920 --> 02:30:26,440
melt off a piece or somehow affect it

3427
02:30:30,840 --> 02:30:28,930
and he said it uh it glowed red hot but

3428
02:30:32,880 --> 02:30:30,850
then he accidentally rushed his arm

3429
02:30:34,740 --> 02:30:32,890
against it something came up returned

3430
02:30:36,090 --> 02:30:34,750
and put his arm on to the spot where he

3431
02:30:36,950 --> 02:30:36,100
had just heated up and he said it was

3432
02:30:39,690 --> 02:30:36,960
cold to the touch

3433
02:30:43,230 --> 02:30:39,700
Wow short any of it that means what that

3434
02:30:45,810 --> 02:30:43,240
was mean off the results of the tests

3435
02:30:47,310 --> 02:30:45,820
they have to hear in that Wow yes he was

3436
02:30:49,860 --> 02:30:47,320
absolutely fascinated by this thing and

3437
02:30:51,960 --> 02:30:49,870
and he told immediately told biglan team

3438
02:30:53,430 --> 02:30:51,970
about it and they asked to see it and he

3439
02:30:54,720 --> 02:30:53,440
turned it over to them and was told that

3440
02:30:57,390 --> 02:30:54,730
he would get it back in a week or two

3441
02:30:59,130 --> 02:30:57,400
after they ran some tests on it and week

3442
02:31:01,970 --> 02:30:59,140
or two past they didn't contact him so

3443
02:31:04,380 --> 02:31:01,980
he contacted them directly and was told

3444
02:31:06,120 --> 02:31:04,390
again don't quote me verbatim because

3445
02:31:07,740 --> 02:31:06,130
it's it's been a while since he told me

3446
02:31:10,551 --> 02:31:07,750
this story but something the effect of

3447
02:31:14,430 --> 02:31:10,561
that it was just an insulation to a

3448
02:31:15,900 --> 02:31:14,440
insulation piece to like a power line or

3449
02:31:19,740 --> 02:31:15,910
a transformer or some

3450
02:31:22,200 --> 02:31:19,750
and and nothing or perhaps it was when

3451
02:31:24,360 --> 02:31:22,210
you had described Chris and nothing that

3452
02:31:26,340 --> 02:31:24,370
he should be concerned about you know

3453
02:31:27,570 --> 02:31:26,350
just trash and that he wouldn't be

3454
02:31:28,560 --> 02:31:27,580
getting it back and he said well he'd

3455
02:31:29,940 --> 02:31:28,570
like it back anyway

3456
02:31:32,070 --> 02:31:29,950
you know you regardless whatever

3457
02:31:34,010 --> 02:31:32,080
whatever conclusion they came up with he

3458
02:31:36,750 --> 02:31:34,020
still wanted it back he told them and

3459
02:31:39,810 --> 02:31:36,760
they kept putting him up putting him at

3460
02:31:43,350 --> 02:31:39,820
all excuse me putting him off and he

3461
02:31:44,820 --> 02:31:43,360
never was returned that item and I guess

3462
02:31:46,590 --> 02:31:44,830
that's kind of what stirred some cracks

3463
02:31:48,030 --> 02:31:46,600
in their relationship is what he told me

3464
02:31:50,460 --> 02:31:48,040
between himself because he was an

3465
02:31:53,550 --> 02:31:50,470
advisor I'm in the beginning to Bigelow

3466
02:31:55,530 --> 02:31:53,560
right and and at the end he wasn't even

3467
02:31:58,370 --> 02:31:55,540
allowed on the ranch yeah junior Hicks

3468
02:32:01,500 --> 02:31:58,380
for you new listeners is a longtime

3469
02:32:04,320 --> 02:32:01,510
investigator researcher in Utah and was

3470
02:32:06,810 --> 02:32:04,330
one of the partly investigative partners

3471
02:32:08,820 --> 02:32:06,820
to Frank Salisbury and was very involved

3472
02:32:11,460 --> 02:32:08,830
in the investigations that ended up

3473
02:32:13,650 --> 02:32:11,470
being published in the great Utah UFO

3474
02:32:17,850 --> 02:32:13,660
display which is about the UN debates

3475
02:32:20,690 --> 02:32:17,860
and UFO activity in the late sixties all

3476
02:32:25,889 --> 02:32:20,700
through the 70s one of the most amazing

3477
02:32:27,630 --> 02:32:25,899
cases that I can recall coming or inward

3478
02:32:30,719 --> 02:32:27,640
of a case coming out of the ranch was

3479
02:32:32,550 --> 02:32:30,729
the was the mutilated calf that I

3480
02:32:36,030 --> 02:32:32,560
mentioned in my new book stalking the

3481
02:32:39,480 --> 02:32:36,040
herd this calf was mutilated in broad

3482
02:32:42,120 --> 02:32:39,490
daylight less than a quarter mile from

3483
02:32:44,429 --> 02:32:42,130
Carrie and his wife as they were in the

3484
02:32:47,540 --> 02:32:44,439
same pasture as the mother and the calf

3485
02:32:49,830 --> 02:32:47,550
they had just checked it minutes before

3486
02:32:51,570 --> 02:32:49,840
went down to check the next mama and

3487
02:32:54,060 --> 02:32:51,580
baby when they came back the calf had

3488
02:32:55,320 --> 02:32:54,070
been torn apart and carefully laid down

3489
02:32:58,410 --> 02:32:55,330
the ground and cleaned the eyeball I

3490
02:32:59,910 --> 02:32:58,420
think is your photograph in your book

3491
02:33:01,410 --> 02:32:59,920
points out the eyeball one of the

3492
02:33:05,670 --> 02:33:01,420
eyeballs was left behind on the ground

3493
02:33:09,630 --> 02:33:05,680
that that to me is is is probably one of

3494
02:33:11,280 --> 02:33:09,640
the most amazing cattle mutilation

3495
02:33:13,410 --> 02:33:11,290
accounts that I'm personally aware of

3496
02:33:17,310 --> 02:33:13,420
and I'm aware of quite a number of them

3497
02:33:20,130 --> 02:33:17,320
and and I think that may have the the

3498
02:33:22,020 --> 02:33:20,140
shortest time frame between scene and

3499
02:33:23,520 --> 02:33:22,030
animal alive and then seeing it dead

3500
02:33:26,550 --> 02:33:23,530
because we're talking less than 20

3501
02:33:28,380 --> 02:33:26,560
minutes this was able to happen in broad

3502
02:33:29,790 --> 02:33:28,390
daylight in the same pasture as they as

3503
02:33:32,479 --> 02:33:29,800
the rancher

3504
02:33:35,639 --> 02:33:32,489
and and of course with Bigelow's

3505
02:33:38,309 --> 02:33:35,649
resources he flew up a crack team of

3506
02:33:40,500 --> 02:33:38,319
investigators and George Knapp a

3507
02:33:42,630 --> 02:33:40,510
reporter they flew up on his private jet

3508
02:33:44,550 --> 02:33:42,640
and were there that same afternoon and

3509
02:33:45,840 --> 02:33:44,560
did a complete you know field

3510
02:33:48,750 --> 02:33:45,850
investigation with a veterinary

3511
02:33:52,050 --> 02:33:48,760
pathologist on-site that that to me is

3512
02:33:54,420 --> 02:33:52,060
absolutely drop-dead amazing and I would

3513
02:33:56,910 --> 02:33:54,430
like to know more about the results of

3514
02:34:00,330 --> 02:33:56,920
the forensic tests that were done on the

3515
02:34:04,769 --> 02:34:00,340
animal it's I think it's of paramount

3516
02:34:06,779 --> 02:34:04,779
importance that they did pardon me I

3517
02:34:08,729 --> 02:34:06,789
think they did share that I think nits

3518
02:34:11,069 --> 02:34:08,739
did share that information I think a I

3519
02:34:14,090 --> 02:34:11,079
have a link to that actually I have that

3520
02:34:16,649 --> 02:34:14,100
archived file where they discussed the

3521
02:34:18,450 --> 02:34:16,659
autopsy and some of the unique chemical

3522
02:34:23,609 --> 02:34:18,460
compounds they found on the cattle

3523
02:34:25,679 --> 02:34:23,619
really I don't have a copy wow that's

3524
02:34:28,380 --> 02:34:25,689
really good to know because I have never

3525
02:34:31,529 --> 02:34:28,390
seen that to my knowledge and if I did

3526
02:34:33,090 --> 02:34:31,539
I'd ask some of these that I forgot it's

3527
02:34:36,149 --> 02:34:33,100
some sort of like knockout chemical that

3528
02:34:38,010 --> 02:34:36,159
you would use to almost like a

3529
02:34:43,410 --> 02:34:38,020
painkiller is what fascinated me the

3530
02:34:45,210 --> 02:34:43,420
most which I yeah that's not it but it

3531
02:34:48,439 --> 02:34:45,220
was it was similar to that familiar

3532
02:34:51,029 --> 02:34:48,449
chemical to veterinarians I guess

3533
02:34:53,700 --> 02:34:51,039
well looks like which is interesting

3534
02:34:55,889 --> 02:34:53,710
elion are using that you have to go back

3535
02:34:58,080 --> 02:34:55,899
and amend that chapter gene which

3536
02:35:01,170 --> 02:34:58,090
chapter is this Chris this would be in

3537
02:35:03,059 --> 02:35:01,180
the 90s chapter chapter 8

3538
02:35:05,250 --> 02:35:03,069
I'll cast and what I'm currently working

3539
02:35:08,760 --> 02:35:05,260
on ladies and gentlemen you have to

3540
02:35:10,710 --> 02:35:08,770
realize how current the work is on this

3541
02:35:13,649 --> 02:35:10,720
book stalking the herd by Chris O'Brien

3542
02:35:15,840 --> 02:35:13,659
I mean as we speak as he was talking

3543
02:35:17,519 --> 02:35:15,850
here I'm going back and forth for the

3544
02:35:20,639 --> 02:35:17,529
book to see things that I had a correct

3545
02:35:23,149 --> 02:35:20,649
for Chris and you know it's called

3546
02:35:25,979 --> 02:35:23,159
multitasking ladies and gentlemen yeah

3547
02:35:28,529 --> 02:35:25,989
okay Ryan we only have a about three

3548
02:35:30,389 --> 02:35:28,539
minutes left I'm gonna ask you first of

3549
02:35:32,849 --> 02:35:30,399
all before we talk about anything else

3550
02:35:36,660 --> 02:35:32,859
it's not a big book it's a hundred 22

3551
02:35:39,300 --> 02:35:36,670
pages it's an e-book right Ryan it's an

3552
02:35:41,700 --> 02:35:39,310
e-book it's also a I have a paperback

3553
02:35:42,171 --> 02:35:41,710
version of the book and within a week I

3554
02:35:43,970 --> 02:35:42,181
will

3555
02:35:46,821 --> 02:35:43,980
the audio version completed have a

3556
02:35:48,711 --> 02:35:46,831
narrator that pretty professional

3557
02:35:50,180 --> 02:35:48,721
narrator that took care of the audio

3558
02:35:51,591 --> 02:35:50,190
version of the book and I'm working on

3559
02:35:55,331 --> 02:35:51,601
the final edits of that right now

3560
02:35:56,600 --> 02:35:55,341
actually okay where do we get a copy

3561
02:35:59,751 --> 02:35:56,610
amazon.com

3562
02:36:01,911 --> 02:35:59,761
search for skinwalker ranch or path the

3563
02:36:04,220 --> 02:36:01,921
skinwalker or even my name Ryan Skinner

3564
02:36:07,491 --> 02:36:04,230
you'll come up with a book do you have a

3565
02:36:11,810 --> 02:36:07,501
website or listeners from checkout I do

3566
02:36:15,531 --> 02:36:11,820
a skinwalker ranch comm Oregon either

3567
02:36:20,361 --> 02:36:15,541
one oh you got those names hi they can't

3568
02:36:22,761 --> 02:36:20,371
take them from you now what's the

3569
02:36:25,611 --> 02:36:22,771
difference between org and calm are they

3570
02:36:27,321 --> 02:36:25,621
two separate sites or well I was just

3571
02:36:29,091 --> 02:36:27,331
surprised that dot-com became available

3572
02:36:31,640 --> 02:36:29,101
so I immediately grabbed that but I

3573
02:36:33,831 --> 02:36:31,650
started out with organ is Lee right so

3574
02:36:36,140 --> 02:36:33,841
that so either one will lead you to the

3575
02:36:38,031 --> 02:36:36,150
site you don't want cried it's the same

3576
02:36:39,501 --> 02:36:38,041
website I do recommend the site if

3577
02:36:42,621 --> 02:36:39,511
you're interested in this case I think

3578
02:36:44,661 --> 02:36:42,631
Ryan has done an admirable job with some

3579
02:36:47,690 --> 02:36:44,671
problems along the way over the years of

3580
02:36:51,560 --> 02:36:47,700
hackers and other things but if you're

3581
02:36:55,421 --> 02:36:51,570
interested in in that also Dave Rose and

3582
02:36:58,520 --> 02:36:55,431
Berg Rosenthal Rosenberg Rosenfeld

3583
02:37:01,461 --> 02:36:58,530
Rosenfeld he also has some information

3584
02:37:04,791 --> 02:37:01,471
on his site but Ryan is has got to go to

3585
02:37:08,211 --> 02:37:04,801
site on this particular ongoing amazing

3586
02:37:11,301 --> 02:37:08,221
case and it is boy I'll tell you so at

3587
02:37:14,301 --> 02:37:11,311
this stage in 2014 we never reached the

3588
02:37:16,991 --> 02:37:14,311
end of it do we so when you are in your

3589
02:37:20,111 --> 02:37:17,001
70s you'll still be searching for the

3590
02:37:21,831 --> 02:37:20,121
conclusion of this mystery I hope to

3591
02:37:23,720 --> 02:37:21,841
have it answered

3592
02:37:25,100 --> 02:37:23,730
really feel within my lifetime I am

3593
02:37:29,091 --> 02:37:25,110
gonna get some sort of answer to all

3594
02:37:32,121 --> 02:37:29,101
this if not hopefully way before them

3595
02:37:34,881 --> 02:37:32,131
I'm seven years old well Chris and I

3596
02:37:37,850 --> 02:37:34,891
have been following UFOs and stuff for

3597
02:37:40,310 --> 02:37:37,860
more than a few decades and I have a

3598
02:37:43,270 --> 02:37:40,320
little less time than Christos our two

3599
02:37:46,251 --> 02:37:43,280
less I would expect and I wonder whether

3600
02:37:48,020 --> 02:37:46,261
I'll be there when and if we find a

3601
02:37:49,371 --> 02:37:48,030
solution to the mystery Chris will be I

3602
02:37:51,291 --> 02:37:49,381
know that all right

3603
02:37:54,171 --> 02:37:51,301
Chris's book by the way is called

3604
02:37:55,849 --> 02:37:54,181
stalking the herd it's going to be the

3605
02:37:57,950 --> 02:37:55,859
encyclopedia here

3606
02:38:00,380 --> 02:37:57,960
it's gonna be in encyclopedia it's one

3607
02:38:03,110 --> 02:38:00,390
huge book it's got amazing information

3608
02:38:05,809 --> 02:38:03,120
and order before they increase the price

3609
02:38:07,760 --> 02:38:05,819
okay yeah because I have a feeling that

3610
02:38:12,620 --> 02:38:07,770
going to it's gonna go up considerably

3611
02:38:15,770 --> 02:38:12,630
with the 600 plus page count you can

3612
02:38:17,900 --> 02:38:15,780
find us on Twitter we're known as the

3613
02:38:19,760 --> 02:38:17,910
power cast once again we are the power

3614
02:38:21,980 --> 02:38:19,770
cast on Twitter I understand we're also

3615
02:38:23,420 --> 02:38:21,990
being heard in Knoxville Tennessee on a

3616
02:38:25,550 --> 02:38:23,430
radio station there I'll get you more

3617
02:38:27,440 --> 02:38:25,560
information about that next week how

3618
02:38:30,710 --> 02:38:27,450
about that you also can check out our

3619
02:38:32,780 --> 02:38:30,720
forums at forum dot the power cast calm

3620
02:38:35,150 --> 02:38:32,790
and we have a place there called the

3621
02:38:38,750 --> 02:38:35,160
question Bank where you are able to

3622
02:38:41,719 --> 02:38:38,760
interact with our guests Brian Skinner

3623
02:38:43,910 --> 02:38:41,729
author of skinwalker ranch path of the

3624
02:38:46,400 --> 02:38:43,920
skinwalker thanks for joining us this

3625
02:38:47,630 --> 02:38:46,410
week on the power cast thank you so much

3626
02:38:53,370 --> 02:38:47,640
for having me it's always a pleasure

3627
02:38:59,921 --> 02:38:56,400
[Music]

3628
02:39:02,801 --> 02:38:59,931
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3629
02:39:05,820 --> 02:39:02,811
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3630
02:39:09,520 --> 02:39:05,830
presentation of making the impossible